Spielman must GO TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phinsfan1980]

Wanny must go, no doubt, but it is not entirely speilman's fault that the O-line sucks. Miami has not paid any attention to drafting quality lineman or bringing in good free agent lineman since Shula was there. Just like QB, this is only the result of years of doing nothing

A GM cant fix all of Wannys mistakes in a year. Speilman stays.

 

[PhinKev]

we attempted to get the best OL available...WTF ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?????????????? Who would you have gotten...morons

That's what I love about this board. Nothing like calling someone a moron to make a point.

 

[PhinKev]

The argument is basically this:

Love Rick People: Signed the best he could with the salary cap limitation, drafted well.

HAte Rick: Didn't improve the team.

Frankly, they both could be true, which is why some of us are talking past each other.

The one point I think needs to be made for the Rick fans who shout down and insult everyone that might question his performance is this. WHen you know that the OL sucks, and we knew since we cut the whole line. Than, you make it your business to get it better. You make trades and yes, you overpay. That's how a bad team gets a good player. YEah, maybe Woody got too much or Taite got too much or Kendall got more than we think he should have. Sometimes when the need is so huge, as it clearly is, you do what you need to do.

Does that create future salary cap issues? Sure. But, the option is to watch the line we had last night and in a league where everything is about today, you can't wait for 2 years for Wade Smith to discover how to block.

This is especially true for the DOlphins. Our defense is not getting any younger and it is a shame to watch them fight so hard for nothing.

 

[CrunchTime]

Most members think RS is part of the solution.

I think he is part of the problem.He didnt just appear out of the woodwork.He has been chief scout with Dave for about 8 yrs and was equally responsible as Dave for some of the worst personnel decisions in recent NFL history.(Fletcher,Cade McNown in Miami).Yes sure sometimes Wanny overides RS recommendations such as the Moore pick over the WR we needed (RS has gotten a lot of mileage out of that) but most of the recommendations came from RS.



For those wearing rose colored glasses I will remind you of the disastrous picks they made together in Chicago.I enclose a link so that you can review some of those decisions.On the left hand column there is a short summary of them.



http://www.bearshistory.com/lore/wanny.html



You can argue that they have done pretty well with low round picks and I agree.Its their specialty to find ST players but what about the high picks?They have a couple of hits CC and Mc Michael but you are bound to hit on a couple of them when you are using a shotgun.



IMO this team needs needs a complete overhaul starting with the GM

 

[phinz8202]

to me rick is an extention of DW, if dave goes he should as well and start with a clean slate.

 

[BigFinFan]

This guy actually traded what will turn out to be the 33rd pick in the draft for A.J. Feeley...

unbelievable...yet he gets a free pass around here.

Start Over...Please!Please!Please!

Well, that is just SILLY!

:shakeno:

 

[ABrownLamp]

That's what I love about this board. Nothing like calling someone a moron to make a point.

it was late...i was angry and drunk...still have no answer for the question though...

 

[PerfectFinz72]

Yo! this ain't feeley nobody could pass w/ 3 guys hanging off him.

A lot of fans in denial, Feeley sucks and shouldn't be anymore than a 3rd stringer in this league. what a joke

 

[ABrownLamp]

The argument is basically this:

Love Rick People: Signed the best he could with the salary cap limitation, drafted well.

HAte Rick: Didn't improve the team.

Frankly, they both could be true, which is why some of us are talking past each other.

The one point I think needs to be made for the Rick fans who shout down and insult everyone that might question his performance is this. WHen you know that the OL sucks, and we knew since we cut the whole line. Than, you make it your business to get it better. You make trades and yes, you overpay. That's how a bad team gets a good player. YEah, maybe Woody got too much or Taite got too much or Kendall got more than we think he should have. Sometimes when the need is so huge, as it clearly is, you do what you need to do.

Does that create future salary cap issues? Sure. But, the option is to watch the line we had last night and in a league where everything is about today, you can't wait for 2 years for Wade Smith to discover how to block.

This is especially true for the DOlphins. Our defense is not getting any younger and it is a shame to watch them fight so hard for nothing.

Tait didn't want to come to S Florida because it wasn't conducive to his religious beliefs, as the report goes...I understand overpaying to get the job done, but signing Woody was outright OUTRAGEOUS, especially if we actually had to outdo what Detroit paid for him. I don't know about Kendall, but I think that his presence would not have done much last night, and then all the RS haters would have called him out for overpaying...when the DLine gets through that often and with that much ease, it is clearly a deficiency of OLine scheme and planning...that was horrific..

What I'm saying is that we would have had future salary cap issues next year IN ADDITION to having a crappy team this year...and who knows who we wouldn't have been able to get that we did get had we signed Woody..

 

[PhinKev]

it was late...i was angry and drunk...still have no answer for the question though...

Alright, I'll let you off the hook. :)

I think your question is unfair. None of us are GMs, and none of us know what possible deals were on the table that could have netted us a quality lineman. All we do know, is after all the dust settled, the most glaring weakness on the team is still the most glaring weakness on the team.

Somehow, you have to think that Pioli (sp?) or one of the top GMs would have found a way to improve the OL.

 

[PhinKev]

Tait didn't want to come to S Florida because it wasn't conducive to his religious beliefs, as the report goes...I understand overpaying to get the job done, but signing Woody was outright OUTRAGEOUS, especially if we actually had to outdo what Detroit paid for him. I don't know about Kendall, but I think that his presence would not have done much last night, and then all the RS haters would have called him out for overpaying...when the DLine gets through that often and with that much ease, it is clearly a deficiency of OLine scheme and planning...that was horrific..

What I'm saying is that we would have had future salary cap issues next year IN ADDITION to having a crappy team this year...and who knows who we wouldn't have been able to get that we did get had we signed Woody..

It is hard for us as fans to see what Rick was weighing and what choices he made that never even made it into the newspapers. We probably see 10 percent of what goes on in a front office. But, teams get rebuilt by top GMs all of the time. Parcells didn't need to long to get a basic running game. That might be an unfair comparison as well since I'm not sure what they had in Dallas.

All I'm saying, is that the best in the business seem to make the right calls about the right players at the right time. But, I'm not asking for a genius personel guy. I'm not asking that Rick or Wanny produce the Denver OL and results in one season. I'm asking that they give us more than what so far appears to be the worst OL I have ever seen in a Dolphin uniform.

 

[Lawrence]

Tait didn't want to come to S Florida because it wasn't conducive to his religious beliefs, as the report goes...I understand overpaying to get the job done, but signing Woody was outright OUTRAGEOUS, especially if we actually had to outdo what Detroit paid for him. I don't know about Kendall, but I think that his presence would not have done much last night, and then all the RS haters would have called him out for overpaying...when the DLine gets through that often and with that much ease, it is clearly a deficiency of OLine scheme and planning...that was horrific..

What I'm saying is that we would have had future salary cap issues next year IN ADDITION to having a crappy team this year...and who knows who we wouldn't have been able to get that we did get had we signed Woody..

I think his religion bars him from playing under a moronic G.M and Coach

 

[ABrownLamp]

It is hard for us as fans to see what Rick was weighing and what choices he made that never even made it into the newspapers. We probably see 10 percent of what goes on in a front office. But, teams get rebuilt by top GMs all of the time. Parcells didn't need to long to get a basic running game. That might be an unfair comparison as well since I'm not sure what they had in Dallas.

All I'm saying, is that the best in the business seem to make the right calls about the right players at the right time. But, I'm not asking for a genius personel guy. I'm not asking that Rick or Wanny produce the Denver OL and results in one season. I'm asking that they give us more than what so far appears to be the worst OL I have ever seen in a Dolphin uniform.

Fair enough...but like I said...for the BENGALS DLine to have so easily, for four quarters, sift through each and every section of our OLine on virtually every play...the problem has less to do with the players and more to do with the scheme...Gordon and Feeley were hit in the backfield way too many times for me to think that this was a problem exclusive to talent...I mean, ya these aren't the greatest OLine men in the league, but for the frikkin BENGALS to penetrate so often and from so many angles has to tell you something...

Which is why I'm saying that player acquisition wise, the OLine really doesn't matter...it is a product of bad coaching...and why I'm further saying that I'm glad RS didn't pick up high costing players at that position, because the same thing would have happened last night regardless, and RS would have been hung out to dry...

 

[Ohio Fanatic]

If they watched EVERY snap Gordon ever took and then decided to trade for him, that is reason alone to fire him. I supported the Gordon trade, but who am I? I never claimed to watch every NFL snap he has ever took. Spielman made a bad decision there. Made a bad decision on AJ. QUOTE]

Don't be so stupid. You can't judge AJ or Gordon when there are consistently 2-3 defensive players in our backfield immediately after the snap. Blame Wanny for bad gameplanning and blame the Offensive line for sucking and blame the overrated Tony WIse for not doing his job, but don't blame the helpless players being pummeled on every down because our line can't block.

 

[PhinKev]

Fair enough...but like I said...for the BENGALS DLine to have so easily, for four quarters, sift through each and every section of our OLine on virtually every play...the problem has less to do with the players and more to do with the scheme...Gordon and Feeley were hit in the backfield way too many times for me to think that this was a problem exclusive to talent...I mean, ya these aren't the greatest OLine men in the league, but for the frikkin BENGALS to penetrate so often and from so many angles has to tell you something...

Which is why I'm saying that player acquisition wise, the OLine really doesn't matter...it is a product of bad coaching...and why I'm further saying that I'm glad RS didn't pick up high costing players at that position, because the same thing would have happened last night regardless, and RS would have been hung out to dry...

Hmmm.... Can't really argue with that. Half the time it looked like they were confused and that smells of bad coaching. WIse would probably say he hasn't had the line for long enough, but they look lost out there for the second week in a row. I'd say part of that has to be coaching, though clearly at least a couple of the guys (smith?) just stink.

Funny how everyone is on St. Clair to be benched. I didn't study the film, but St. Clair seemed ok, which on this line means starter.

Really, its a sad situtation and its just too late to fix. We are going to sink or swim with these coaches and these players.