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Ted Ginn, Jr., WR, Ohio State: Though Ginn is arguably the best deep threat available in the 2007 draft, his lack of sure hands or great route-running is a huge concern for scouts. Those issues combined with a slight frame could drop him surprisingly low come April. Ginn is by far the most inconsistent producer of the draft's top wideouts, and his initial impact will likely be as a return specialist while some team figures out how best to use him in three-receiver sets.
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from cbssportsline

we can get a real reciever in the second round
 
Lisle Phin Fan said:
from cbssportsline

we can get a real reciever in the second round
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welcome to what %75 of us have been saying for the last few months, minus the wr in the second round which i dont think i have read about yet.
 
I would rather have Jarrett or Bowe or even Meachem maybe. Anthony Gonzalez was just as productive last year. I wouldnt mind having him either.
 
If Ginn runs in the low 4.3's, which is likely, he will go in the top half of the first round. I think he has special skills. He will make an immediate impact on special teams, and as a wideout I think he will do just fine.
 
DonShula84 said:
I'm glad the love affair for this guy seems to be dying down a bit.
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you know as well as anybody that the love for this guy will never die down. Once more as soon as he scores his first TD, 7 threads are going to pop up saying "we should've Ginn, our FO is stupid"

If Ginn runs in the low 4.3's, which is likely, he will go in the top half of the first round. I think he has special skills. He will make an immediate impact on special teams, and as a wideout I think he will do just fine.
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scouts are more worried about other things now than 40 times. He's not the best route runner, and he's got mediocre hands, he should go no higher than Jacksonville.
 
I hope you are all correct because if Ginn becomes a beast in the league for anyone other than the Dolphins I'm going to have to read stupid rebuttles such as "At the time, it was the right choice [stats]" like Culpepper over Brees.

And as we all know Culpepper was the right choice... at the time... still is to many...

With all do respect, <--- and I don't mean that in a condescending I'm about to disrespect but let me be polite about it sort of way, I'm only trying to stay real the Hardaway(pun intended) when I say your layman opinion, or mine for that matter, means nothing.

There is only what will happen and won't. Until then, it's all speculation.

And the reason the lot of you speculate in such little and loud manners is so in those rare moments you find yourselfs in the right you can come out and say "I told you so."

It would be nice for a change to see someone man up around here and type, "I was wrong." <--- That, my friends, is about as random as an open gay athlete in this forum and as equally avoided.

So with my little and loud speculation, let me entail that I believe that Ted Ginn Jr is going to be a superstar in this league, that I believe all of you are wrong, and since I am one of the few around here who is quick to admit when he has stuck his foot in his mouth, I will make it my personal mission to never let you forget that I told you so.
 
I couldnt agree more with the initial post. That has been my personal opinion on Ginn. What if we pass on him and draft another player?? Then we will have to live with the pick whether its a QB, S, OL, or whatever. At the 9 spot, we have an opportunity to draft many different players or types of players. It would be worse if we had the 2 pick and drafted an expected player that becomes the biggest bust. If we dont take Ginn, no one is going to say 5 years from now, "we should've gotten Ginn". If this were the case, we should have drafted every player that was picked after ours in the 1st round, every year. Its gambling in a sense and its inherent that we would feel some remorse after losing out. I'm sure everyone that wanted Ryan Leaf regrets it and everyone that said not to draft him is relieved. McNabb getting booed at the draft to becoming a great QB. This IS what makes the draft exciting. This IS why there is pizza delivery and 2 full days of coverage each April. The best thing related to the NFL during the offseason (unlike the Probowl).

I dont regret for one second the move to get Culpepper. I dont think anyone could have really known how he would perform. Who is to say Brees will have that great of a season next year? He probably will have a good year, but guaranteed, there will be other QBs that come out to play next season.

Ginn is not the only answer at WR and regardless of how he does in the future, its nothing to dwell on. How many players such as Farve were drafted by other teams than where they became stars? How many were drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds?

Why cant it be April already???!!
 
Not sure where the hatred for Ginn comes from to be honest. He offers this team and specifically this offense something it lacks - an x-factor. It's the Reggie Bush effect......you need to know exactly where he is on every given down. He's the perfect disguise for whatever else you run with the offense. Plus he affords you the speed to run reverses, flanker screens and means with him at flanker, you can put Chambers in the slot and create further match-up issues.

Couple that with the huge ST impact - this kid is a better return man than Devin Hester and is markedly quicker. He'd be a hell of a pick for Miami and don't let anyone tell you differently. Whilst Bowe and Meacham have Chad Johnson typv ability in terms of what they bring to a team, the multi-dimensional aspect of Ginn can't be overshadowed.

And as for Gonzalez, you only had to look at the BCS Title game to see how little impact he provides when Ginn isn't there.
 
Boomer said:
Not sure where the hatred for Ginn comes from to be honest. He offers this team and specifically this offense something it lacks - an x-factor. It's the Reggie Bush effect......you need to know exactly where he is on every given down. He's the perfect disguise for whatever else you run with the offense. Plus he affords you the speed to run reverses, flanker screens and means with him at flanker, you can put Chambers in the slot and create further match-up issues.

Couple that with the huge ST impact - this kid is a better return man than Devin Hester and is markedly quicker. He'd be a hell of a pick for Miami and don't let anyone tell you differently. Whilst Bowe and Meacham have Chad Johnson typv ability in terms of what they bring to a team, the multi-dimensional aspect of Ginn can't be overshadowed.

And as for Gonzalez, you only had to look at the BCS Title game to see how little impact he provides when Ginn isn't there.
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As much as I would love to believe that I have real ability to spot talent, to be worthy of scout material as it applies to the NFL, I know I'm just another regular fan with a flawed opinion.

But there are some qualities in football that don't need expert eyes to be detected. Boomer refers to it above as "the Reggie Bush factor."

When I watch tape on Ted Ginn Jr, two words come to mind "Reggie, Bush." Ginn makes moves on the field that I have only seen two players in my lifetime make, Reggie Bush and Barry Sanders.

I don't need anything else but my own two eyes and a little common sense to tell me that this guy is going to do spectacular things in this league and as Boomer alludes to above, will garner special attention from defenses that will come in with one simple philosophy: "Don't let Ted Ginn Jr beat us."

Let me tell you, if you can get a team thinking like that, you're one smart OC away from a dominating gameplan.
 
IluvJuMiami said:
As much as I would love to believe that I have real ability to spot talent, to be worthy of scout material as it applies to the NFL, I know I'm just another regular fan with a flawed opinion.

But there are some qualities in football that don't need expert eyes to be detected. Boomer refers to it above as "the Reggie Bush factor."

When I watch tape on Ted Ginn Jr, two words come to mind "Reggie, Bush." Ginn makes moves on the field that I have only seen two players in my lifetime make, Reggie Bush and Barry Sanders.

I don't need anything else but my own two eyes and a little common sense to tell me that this guy is going to do spectacular things in this league and as Boomer alludes to above, will garner special attention from defenses that will come in with one simple philosophy, "Don't let Ted Ginn Jr beat us."

Let me tell you, if you can get a team thinking like that, you're one smart OC away from a dominating gameplan.
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Some other team will get him (probably Jets, Bills or Pats)...he will become a star and we will be kicking ourselves.
 
Boomer said:
Not sure where the hatred for Ginn comes from to be honest. He offers this team and specifically this offense something it lacks - an x-factor. It's the Reggie Bush effect......you need to know exactly where he is on every given down. He's the perfect disguise for whatever else you run with the offense. Plus he affords you the speed to run reverses, flanker screens and means with him at flanker, you can put Chambers in the slot and create further match-up issues.

Couple that with the huge ST impact - this kid is a better return man than Devin Hester and is markedly quicker. He'd be a hell of a pick for Miami and don't let anyone tell you differently. Whilst Bowe and Meacham have Chad Johnson typv ability in terms of what they bring to a team, the multi-dimensional aspect of Ginn can't be overshadowed.

And as for Gonzalez, you only had to look at the BCS Title game to see how little impact he provides when Ginn isn't there.
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sorry Boomer, I agree with you most of the time, but not on Ginn
 
azfinfanmang said:
Perhaps he does, but I agree. Ginn is gonna be a nice 3rd round pick for somebody, but all this talk about taking him with the nine overall is absurd...
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100 v-bucks he is not a 3rd round pick??:D
 
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