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Stop Blaming Gus!!

Superself said:
Gus is what he is people. We all know this. How long have you known that Gus simply is NOT a QB you can rely on for crucial yardage??

How many times do you have to see him miss an open receiver before you realize that in those situations you do NOT PUT THE DAMN BALL IN HIS HANDS??!!!!

Its like gambling...do you take the easy money or keep going for the long odds that hit once every other month??

Scott Linehan and his playcalling is the reason we lost this game. Not Gus. We KNOW Gus is not the type of QB to make those plays....look at his recent history here, he has NOT made those kind of plays when we needed them most, so WHY ATTEMPT IT?

Your running backs are averaging 5+ yards a carry. A blind man could see that we were gashing their defensive front 7-8-9 men for 5+ yards almost every carry! Why not use that until it doesn't work anymore?

Fire Scott Linehan and this offense will improve.
Getting rid of Gus should be secondary because Scott will ruin any QB that isn't top 5!!

Fire Linehan? Are you on crack? You can't blame Linehan that he is so limited play wise due to his sh!tty QB. As Parcells said, you can't make chicken salad out of Ch!cken ****.

Sure, Linehan called a pass play when it should have been a run play. Mistakes happen.

I'll tell you one thing, I'm a HELLUVA lot more likely to blame Gus than Linehan at this point.

If you'd like us to stop blaming Gus, ask yourself this. How has he been around for 12 years if he's that bad? He can't complete anything.
 
Linehan screwed this game up. Look at the tapes and tell me what play he called the eight times Ricky and Ronnie were on the field together!!!!
 
Superself said:
Gus is what he is people. We all know this. How long have you known that Gus simply is NOT a QB you can rely on for crucial yardage??

How many times do you have to see him miss an open receiver before you realize that in those situations you do NOT PUT THE DAMN BALL IN HIS HANDS??!!!!

This is exactly why Gus is to blame....

Regardless of playcalling....QB has to know when to throw it away or find the open reciever. Not throw into triple coverage-someone has to be open on those plays....

The worst was when he said he couldnt check out of the pass on the last play....you are a what 10yr veteran and you cannot check to a run from a pass....please
 
Superself said:
Gus is what he is people. We all know this. How long have you known that Gus simply is NOT a QB you can rely on for crucial yardage??

How many times do you have to see him miss an open receiver before you realize that in those situations you do NOT PUT THE DAMN BALL IN HIS HANDS??!!!!
Totall agree with the bolded statements. My only question is, WHY IS HE IN THE GAME???? I do blame the loss on Gus, he's a pro QB and should know better than to throw into triple coverage, especially in that situation. However I also blame the coaching staff (and I'm not saying any coach sucks, should be fired, etc) for not pulling the plug on Gus by now. He's not the short term, middle term or long term answer.
 
Linehan may call the plays, but Gus has to execute on the field. If the opportunity is not there, either eat it or throw it away. Of course that was before yesterday. I think the game plan that Linehan called was sorry to say the least. Maybe he needs to stop listening to the rumors about him and Minnesota.
 
larfo2224 said:
Linehan may call the plays, but Gus has to execute on the field. If the opportunity is not there, either eat it or throw it away. Of course that was before yesterday. I think the game plan that Linehan called was sorry to say the least. Maybe he needs to stop listening to the rumors about him and Minnesota.

Linehan has to suck it up and run. He has to give up on the trick plays and give up on Gus. It's a circle argument. Linehan shouldn't be making the calls to begin with, but if he insists on trying to be the worst OC in Miami history, Frerotte has to be a better decision maker and "game manager" as everyone likes to call him.
 
WE SHOULD HAVE POUNDED THE BALL IN...keep Linehan but you just have to run the ball there, it's 4 down territory - keep pounded them till they stop it...we got cute and paid dearly for it
 
Superself said:
Exactly FP!!

That is the point I have been trying to hammer in!! Linehan has called the same type of plays when at Minnesota. He does not change his philosophy to match his players!!

Your probably right....Linehan knows what he knows....and it appears what he knows shouldn't be played on a NFL field. Bad teams use trick plays...because they feel they need the trick to succeed....great teams just play the game and rarely use tricks to win. My problem is this....it now appears we were sold a bag of goods....Gus was a better QB than Feeley. So we got rid of Feeley, I believe if not all Dolphin fans at least most now know that Gus is a bust...so why did Saban dump off Feeley so early....if it was so obvious that Gus just doesn't have it? What does this say of Saban's judgement? Thats the part that worries me more. Shula's knack in the NFL was, he took players and used their strength's towards the game....he didn't try to change them....it appears for now....that Saban and Linehan aren't following that type of game planning or game design.
 
fishypete said:
Your probably right....Linehan knows what he knows....and it appears what he knows shouldn't be played on a NFL field. Bad teams use trick plays...because they feel they need the trick to succeed....great teams just play the game and rarely use tricks to win. My problem is this....it now appears we were sold a bag of goods....Gus was a better QB than Feeley. So we got rid of Feeley, I believe if not all Dolphin fans at least most now know that Gus is a bust...so why did Saban dump off Feeley so early....if it was so obvious that Gus just doesn't have it? What does this say of Saban's judgement? Thats the part that worries me more. Shula's knack in the NFL was, he took players and used their strength's towards the game....he didn't try to change them....it appears for now....that Saban and Linehan aren't following that type of game planning or game design.
Does it really matter about Gus and Feeley? Neither are the answer for the Fins. He got rid of Feeley while the getting was good (although I'm still a little PO'ed about the 6th round pick). It was a good move at the time and it still probably is. Even if we had Feeley now, where would we be? A 3-5 team with 3 back-up QB's (if Frerotten still qualifies as back-up material).
 
BlueFin said:
You have to be able to put the ball in your QB's hands when the game is on the line, that is just ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

You start handcuffing the QB and defenses will stack the line and you won't run for anything.

What we need is a better quarterback not a new OC.


You keep singing that same tune every week. While if I was OC, I would adjust and use my strength. Tell me, which is the best gamble?
It is common sense man! WTH are you talking about putting the ball in your QB's hands on a 3rd and short when your RBs are making paydirt every damn carry!

Do you really think QB is our strong point here...you think Gus is the best decision in that crucial third and short moment?
I totally disagree!
 
HULKFish said:
All Gus had to do was throw it away!! This loss was all on GUS, obviously they just expect him to be able to make the easy play and he can't! He's not a manager, he blew every opportunity and locked onto targets!

THIS IS ALL ON GUS!!


No it is not. You see him EVERY WEEK screw up 3rd down plays. Why not utilize your strength in that situation. AFter seeing Gus screw up week after week after week on 3rd down plays...why in the hell would you expect anything different this time around? WHY??!!

You do not keep beating your head against a brick wall. You put that watergun (Gus) on the shelf and pull out that M1 Abrams Tank (Ronnie Brown) and run through that sukka!!
I cannot understand how you can agree with a playcall like that in that situation!
 
Superself said:
Gus is what he is people.

I agree, but that's still not good enough. I've supported Gus as long as I can. His time has come and gone as far as I'm concerned. It's time for a change....

Scott Linehan and his playcalling is the reason we lost this game. Not Gus.

I think BOTH are equally responsible. Linehan is not impressing anyone lately with his play calling no doubt, but Gus has got to make better decisions / throws in those situations as well. He could have just thrown the ball away, and tried again on 4th down. A very bad decision for a so-called experienced veteran if you ask me....

Your running backs are averaging 5+ yards a carry. A blind man could see that we were gashing their defensive front 7-8-9 men for 5+ yards almost every carry! Why not use that until it doesn't work anymore?

I agree with you there. The play calling in that situation was the worst of it's kind. You don't throw the ball when you're running game is working. Especially on 3rd and 2, late in the game deep in enemy territory. I place blame on Linehan, just not all of it. Gus needs to shoulder some as well...

Fire Scott Linehan and this offense will improve.
Getting rid of Gus should be secondary because Scott will ruin any QB that isn't top 5!!

That's alittle drastic. Linehan is a very creative offensive coordinator. He just needs more time and some better quality players on offense IMO. Like it or not, the QB / WR / OL positions in Miami are among the weakest in the NFL. I think even the very best OC would struggle getting results looking at what we have to work with.....

I'm not ready to run Linehan out of town just yet. It wouldn't be fair to him, or these players who are trying to believe in what he's teaching. Give him another year with some new / better talent, and then judge him accordingly.....

PHINZ RULE!!!
 
Dolfan4life! said:
Does it really matter about Gus and Feeley? Neither are the answer for the Fins. He got rid of Feeley while the getting was good (although I'm still a little PO'ed about the 6th round pick). It was a good move at the time and it still probably is. Even if we had Feeley now, where would we be? A 3-5 team with 3 back-up QB's (if Frerotten still qualifies as back-up material).

I for one think Feeley was given a raw deal....it's hard enough to learn one system in a year....he had to learn two. Then you bring in a new coach, a new O.C. and another system....and your expected to excell right away? The excuse for Gus was he knows the system....what system, I ask. Reverse to the left...double reverse....I'm waiting for the half back pass....flea flicker...get the point. I, for one don't feel any better about the offense this season compared to last season....and the Dolphins didn't have Ricky and Ronnie last season...and they had a O.C. that never game planned or called plays before last season...Linehan and Gus have not improved the game...period.
 
Superself said:
Gus is what he is people. We all know this. How long have you known that Gus simply is NOT a QB you can rely on for crucial yardage??

How many times do you have to see him miss an open receiver before you realize that in those situations you do NOT PUT THE DAMN BALL IN HIS HANDS??!!!!

Its like gambling...do you take the easy money or keep going for the long odds that hit once every other month??

Scott Linehan and his playcalling is the reason we lost this game. Not Gus. We KNOW Gus is not the type of QB to make those plays....look at his recent history here, he has NOT made those kind of plays when we needed them most, so WHY ATTEMPT IT?

Your running backs are averaging 5+ yards a carry. A blind man could see that we were gashing their defensive front 7-8-9 men for 5+ yards almost every carry! Why not use that until it doesn't work anymore?

Fire Scott Linehan and this offense will improve.
Getting rid of Gus should be secondary because Scott will ruin any QB that isn't top 5!!

If your QB can't make plays and throws in this league you don't win. Period.

Gus is bad, we all know that but he's choked this year and made stupid throws for awful INT's that rookies don't make.

He gets no pass from me for his average ability. You should factor in the gag job he does every week in the face of wide open receivers and big plays that he can't make.
 
fishypete said:
I for one think Feeley was given a raw deal....it's hard enough to learn one system in a year....he had to learn two. Then you bring in a new coach, a new O.C. and another system....and your expected to excell right away? The excuse for Gus was he knows the system....what system, I ask. Reverse to the left...double reverse....I'm waiting for the half back pass....flea flicker...get the point. I, for one don't feel any better about the offense this season compared to last season....and the Dolphins didn't have Ricky and Ronnie last season...and they had a O.C. that never game planned or called plays before last season...Linehan and Gus have not improved the game...period.
I don't disagree with you, I too thought Feeley was in a bad situation his entire time here, but lets face it, he is a back up QB and that's all he ever will be. It was a mistake to think he would come here and be our savior, and it's best that he's gone now.
 
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