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Good thing the thread went off the rails into a more interesting debate because the original premise is asinine. It's a strange place we're in where the NFL becomes the arena for social debate. The AP situation is going to continuously explode into topics ranging from cultural differences to individual freedoms. Disciplining a child is an inherently revolting though arguably necessary act. However how you defend the images and descriptions we've seen of what happened is impossible. You can't smack your child in the groin with a switch until his legs are covered in lacerations. That's not ****ing debatable.

What's so unusual is that Peterson already lost a child to excessive abuse. In retrospect, I don't know what to think of that situation. This is an insane storyline that comes right on the heels of a huge scandal. Pro Bowl RB knocks out his drunk wife? HOF RB beats the **** out of his child. That's scandal checkmate right there. This is going to peel back the veil over the private way people approach child rearing and ignite potentially a larger firestorm then the one we're already smoldering in. Already seeing a lot of bizarre responses in this thread. Disciplining a child is one thing. Flying into a rage and hitting him repeatedly in the groin with a stick is something else and entirely indefensible.
 
I didn't see all that stuff about the gashes and bruises. After seeing all this new stuff it is obviously not just discipline. I'm really bummed out now. AP was in my eyes one of the class acts and best role models in the NFL. Idk what to think now. The NFL is coming unraveled right now. They need to fire goodell immediately and bring in a new commish. Between the fans complaining about the game being pussified, the bully scandal last year, the concussion stuff, ray rice and now AP the league is taking too many big hits. Not saying that the NFL is in any sort or immenent danger, but they better figure this **** out quick. Its not good when the NFL is constantly being talked about on stations that don't even cover sports. Not good publicity at all.
 
A bit?? The kid is 4 years old, what could he have done so terrible that he ends up being whipped?? Hell they dont even do this to criminals...

Yes "a bit" because I've seen much more severe child abuse, like broken bones, burns with matches or cigarettes, or kids being locked in closets for extended periods of time without food or water, just to mention a few!!! Not defending what Petterson did he went overboard on his discipline and I disagree with it, however not to the extent as some on this board and I still maintain that the complete lack of discipline that seem so prevalent in today's society causes more harm both to the individual and society then someone getting whipped with a switch.
 
Yes "a bit" because I've seen much more severe child abuse, like broken bones, burns with matches or cigarettes, or kids being locked in closets for extended periods of time without food or water, just to mention a few!!! Not defending what Petterson did he went overboard on his discipline and I disagree with it, however not to the extent as some on this board and I still maintain that the complete lack of discipline that seem so prevalent in today's society causes more harm both to the individual and society then someone getting whipped with a switch.

Its your opinion and you are entitled to it. But I have a hard time beleiving that a 4 year old kid will benefit in any way whatsover by being whipped by his father.... but thats just me...
 
Why would we do that when we have people on this forum defending a parent who stuffs leaves in his four year old child's mouth, takes him into a special room, and then hits him in the face, genitals, and legs several dozen times with an object sharp enough to leave gashes in the skin?

I'm all for spankings. I think spankings are absolutely necessary, because most children do not have the capacity for reason, and the only way to prevent bad (and potentially harmful) behavior is through punishment. A belt strap across the butt can be a very effective form of punishment, and it certainly isn't child abuse. But what Adrian Peterson did is indefensible.

"I'm afraid Daddy Peterson will punch me in the face again," said the child, who was still covered in bruises and gashes days after the beating. Yeah, okay, that's just a run of the mill spanking, right?

Sorry, I don't take most of the forum posting stuff too seriously (at least I try not to). Look, I understand that AP obviously went overboard. I didn't know he had already lost a child because of abuse. My comment was made more out of jest than anything, and in response to the complete over the top reactions the media draws from the public. It's like now that there's a video of the domestic violence for Ray Rice, everyone is all of a sudden the biggest social advocate for abused women I've ever met. It's a world of finger waggers, and it's sickening. So much false empathy, and perceived self-righteousness. Remember KONY 2012? Exactly.

AP will get what's coming to him. There is a time and place where spanking can be appropriate. AP committed what looks to be more of a crime than an act if discipline. But excuse me for not hopping on the fingerwag express, and I'm frustrated with the NFL being the arena for these social scandals.
 
It is seriously ironic that AP is being charged considering what happened to his other son. :err:
 
It is seriously ironic that AP is being charged considering what happened to his other son. :err:
It's something beyond irony. Psychologically how could he do that considering what happened to his other son? You can't help but wonder now seeing how out of control he was towards his child. I believe Peterson was nowhere near his son when that first tragedy happened, but... does there need to be an investigation? I know the guy charged with the murder claimed his innocence and Peterson has a lot of money he could apply towards a cover up. It's outrageous to think about, but it almost has to be looked at considering the coincidence is so unusual. You'd like to think violent child abusers aren't that common.
 
Yes "a bit" because I've seen much more severe child abuse, like broken bones, burns with matches or cigarettes, or kids being locked in closets for extended periods of time without food or water, just to mention a few!!! Not defending what Petterson did he went overboard on his discipline and I disagree with it, however not to the extent as some on this board and I still maintain that the complete lack of discipline that seem so prevalent in today's society causes more harm both to the individual and society then someone getting whipped with a switch.

He didn't "go overboard" with discipline. He beat, abused a child. Stuffing his mouth with leaves, hitting repeatedly in the testicles legs, groin etc, and leaving his kid bloodied and bruised.... why is this even looked at as discipline?? It isn't, it's assaultTrust me I've seen much worse abuse cases, but it does not downplay the fact that this kid was severely abused
 
I do agree that there are MANY children who should be taken away from abusive parents, However, there is a fine line here. For. example, you, myself, and MR all faced "The Belt." In today's day and age, would that have been considered abusive?

To answer your question, where I work it is abusive using a belt or any object to spank, and any allegation, especially where there is physical evidence would be jointly investigated by both the police and child welfare services
 
Maybe if Ray Rice was disipline with a switch as a boy he would not have knocked out his wife! I agree that Petterson went over board a bit however I rather see that, then no disipline at all which lead to adults that expects everything for nothing and then blames society for all their ills.

Statistically speaking Ray Rice likely suffered from some kind of abuse himself to engage in this behaviour. It is very likely that was not the first time he hit his wife, and it is also likely that if he uses violence as a tool of control, then his kid is at risk too, or may already be a victim. If Ray Rice had a strong positive role model, and/or was not susceptible to controlling violent behaviour then he would not be abusing his family members
 
Alright. I have looked into this incident a bit further. I knew nothing of it until this morning because I do not bother watching the garbage they call NFL programming anymore. I only watch games for the most part. Playbook is a good show though.

Anyhoo, I find the stuffing of the leaves in the kid's mouth to be disturbing. I also heard something about a "special room". It sounds almost like some kind of sick ritual. This kind of thing does bother me. The pictures of the legs look to be some scratches, but when you combine some of this other stuff this could definitely be considered abuse. So for now I am going to backtrack on my initial posts.

Like I said before, I got the switch plenty of times when I was a kid. But, it was as simple as when I got out of line, I got a quick couple of lashes. No one ever stuffed anything in my mouth or tried to intimidate me as part of it. It was simply a method to try and correct negative behaviors when I exhibited them. I had plenty of scratches that looked like that on my legs, although never as many. I will wait until all of the facts of this case come out before I draw any conclusions.
 
Lack of discipline deserves a good beating? The pictures of his kid show he is a violent person.

I seen kids who needed a beating of some sort. The path they were on was something the tax payer would deal with not the parents. It doesn't matter the color, bad kids come from all walks of life.

I worked CINC and juvenile offenders in a half way house, in two different cities. Different kids same problems.
 
I seen kids who needed a beating of some sort. The path they were on was something the tax payer would deal with not the parents. It doesn't matter the color, bad kids come from all walks of life.

I worked CINC and juvenile offenders in a half way house, in two different cities. Different kids same problems.

Spin it anyway you want to my friend, but the truth is violence only perpetuates the issues. Long term studies only continue to prove this. The message is not one of learning and true discipline, it is punishment, fear and disrespect. That's why there is such a high recidivism rate, and attitudes like yours are prominent in our Society all the way up to people who pass bills and legislations. There is little money put in social programming to help end circular violence, rather it focuses on justice and punishment. The root of the problem will never be addressed because people are not patient, it would take 20-30 years to have a true idea on how education and programming can help these issues. Instead there is a focus on immediate punishment for the behaviour. And this is on the same plain as parenting. It is easier to beat a child than to actually teach a child. It is easier to react on your frustrations and emotions rather than to try and understand what a child or youth is trying to communicate to you, and what needs to be done by you as the parent and educator to address the child's emotional needs.
It sounds like u have worked with some tough youth no doubt, but I do this day in and day out working with police, drs, psychologists, psychiatrists, various social workers and programming coordinators to help children and families with these difficulties. There is no easy solution, but the reality is violence at any level does not teach, or address any human beings needs, much less children.
 
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