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Tannebaum discusses Dolphins front office situation

What you want is the best football mind available, who has a track record of identifying good talent and making good decisions regarding players. I want a strong GM, because we don't particularly have a strong coach, and we have an owner who is unfamiliar with running a football team. That's it, in a nutshell.

If we get that person, then we can go forward. Philbin either works out this season or doesn't, worst case scenario he's fired and we start fresh, and the GM starts rebuilding the organization.

As far as the local media, they are shut out of the information process, so when they're fed stuff, like Armando, they get all excited and start printing it. But the people who feed him info have agendas, as everyone does. A real journalist would tell us what was going on sooner than 5 minutes before or after something happens.

When I was writing that whole thread about the O line history, I came across an assertion by Armando that the interest in McKinnie was a bluff because he's not a Philbin guy. And here we are, with McKinnie on the team.

I have no idea what happens behind the scenes and I feel like I still don't. But it's apparent to me the draft didn't work out, some FA's got hurt, Tannehill focused on chemistry with Hartline more than he did Wallace, and we had no real LT, and all of that was a headache for Jeff Ireland. It's also apparent to me that Ireland gave us a roster that beat playoff teams, put us in a position to easily without question win a wildcard spot, and we laid an egg. That's on Philbin. I don't think Tannehill was developed enough or utilized correctly and that's on Philbin, also. The Incognito/Martin saga I also put mostly on Philbin because that's his locker room. So I felt they all should have been shown the door.
 
I was very sorry to see the GM who traded a 4th, exchanged 6ths and shelled out a $2.3MM advance for Tebow, drafted and ultimately extended Sanchez putting them in cap hell, draft Ducasse, and Gholston, etc, and who has long been derisively described as a "beancounter" (cuz that's his background) on JI and TGG leave the jest. However, not as sorry as I would be if he ends up having anything to with the fins.
 
I have no idea what happens behind the scenes and I feel like I still don't. But it's apparent to me the draft didn't work out, some FA's got hurt, Tannehill focused on chemistry with Hartline more than he did Wallace, and we had no real LT, and all of that was a headache for Jeff Ireland. It's also apparent to me that Ireland gave us a roster that beat playoff teams, put us in a position to easily without question win a wildcard spot, and we laid an egg. That's on Philbin. I don't think Tannehill was developed enough or utilized correctly and that's on Philbin, also. The Incognito/Martin saga I also put mostly on Philbin because that's his locker room. So I felt they all should have been shown the door.

No matter which direction you choose to slice the pie Ireland built an eight win team.

Philbin asked for a better option at Left Tackle, specifically Brandon Albert and Ireland refused. That's on Ireland. Clearly Philbin was a better personnel guy than the guy we were paying to be the personnel guy. Thats ****ed up.

Philbin also asked for Incognito to be cut. So Philbin wanted Incognito to be off the team and Martin to be on the right side or on the bench, so how in the **** is bullygate Philbin's fault?
 
People are blowing Aponte way over board. She crunches numbers and support the football operations. She is a none factor when it comes to the GM. I LOVE the interviews they have set up. I think the GM is going to be a up and coming guy and I hope for Highsmith or Dawson even Khann is starting to grow on me,

Just remember this big fish, Dawn has been in charge of contracts. Not Jeff Ireland. So when we bring up Ireland how bad he overspent, underspent, Dawn was the one in charge of that in the end. It is even moreso now.

And just read a new Herald article stating that with knowledge from trusted source that Peterson is large and in charge of this GM search and that he has nudge Aponte clear from this process.

So before you go thinking one way, clearly, boundaries have been set and probly for good reason.
 
No matter which direction you choose to slice the pie Ireland built an eight win team.

Philbin asked for a better option at Left Tackle, specifically Brandon Albert and Ireland refused. That's on Ireland. Clearly Philbin was a better personnel guy than the guy we were paying to be the personnel guy. Thats ****ed up.

Philbin also asked for Incognito to be cut. So Philbin wanted Incognito to be off the team and Martin to be on the right side or on the bench, so how in the **** is bullygate Philbin's fault?

Can you back up that notion of Ireland and Albert? Because my whole knowledge of it is that KC refused to sell to us for a 2nd rd. pick. Nothing ever was mentioned about Ireland refusing. The only refusing I heard was that KC refused to let us give him a physical.
 
I absolutely can't understand the mindset that a lot of posters seem to have here:

So what if Ireland was terrible at his job, that shouldn't really have any bearing on the teams record....

What the **** kind of logic is that!?!?!
 
To be fair...Joe sucked the last two weeks of the year. With a chance to bust through to the playoffs, Joe came up small...very small. I am so jealous of the Saints watching Sean Payton prepare his team this week and last.
 
To be fair...Tannehill sucked the last two weeks of the year. With a chance to bust through to the playoffs, Tannehill came up small...very small. I am so jealous of the Saints watching Drew Brees prepare his team this week and last.

Fixed.
 
For me it's DeCosta, Gamble or bust (Licht, Vital or Gaine would be mehhh, but I would be ok with it).. I don't want any of the other guys here. Kahn is a mini Aponte with no real scouting or evaluation experience; Dawson although experienced didn't have much success ever in Tenn; Pioli is a headcase; Farmer had a horrible 1st year in Cleveland(who doesn't) but his other work in KC isn't all that impressive either; Ross has been scouting and evaluating his entire career, but the Giants O-line is garbage to say it politely..
 
Philbin asked for a better option at Left Tackle, specifically Brandon Albert and Ireland refused. That's on Ireland. Philbin also asked for Incognito to be cut. So Philbin wanted Incognito to be off the team and Martin to be on the right side or on the bench, so how in the **** is bullygate Philbin's fault?

Coaches bench players, not GM's. I've read absolutely nothing to indicate Philbin asked for a better option at LT. He's been on record, in fact, in saying that he would be comfortable with Martin at the LT position. Ireland had the Albert deal half done. All he had to do was pull the trigger. Not only did he not do that, and not hire McKinnie, but he also had no plans to draft an O lineman to replace Long. Why is that? The only logical answer is that the feedback he was getting on Martin from Philbin, is that Martin would be fine.

Maybe Turner was telling Philbin that Martin would be fine, or maybe Philbin himself thought that, who knows. We don't know. We do know that reports were, that they told Incognito to "toughen up" Martin. So there was some effort there to make him into a better player and make him fit, not bench him.

Those reports about toughening up Martin, also tells me that it's bunk that Philbin insisted that Incognito be cut. Why on earth would you give responsibility to someone you felt was a sexual harasser and a loose cannon, to toughen up a rookie? It makes no sense at all.

I think a lot of what we are being fed through the media is meant to place Philbin in a good light, because after all he's the one who's staying, and the guy Ross has likes.
 
i suggest you take a look at what drew brees did in his 2nd year...

I don't blame Tannehill for not getting us to the playoffs, he had a few bad games and one of them just happened to be the final game of the season. Both Philbin and Tannehill put up a competitive effort (to use a Philbin phrase) to get us in the playoffs in spite of their GM but what we needed was a great effort from one or both of them. Clearly we had a witch in the organization and most would agree that witch has been caught and burned at the stake, no need to keep hunting at this point.

Mark my words-- get us a big time TE and some decent cornfeds in the offseason and this offense is going to be the talk of the town next season.

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Coaches bench players, not GM's.

Stopped reading here because who the **** was he going to bench Martin for? Yeatman?
 
Originally Posted by roy_miami View Post
Philbin asked for a better option at Left Tackle, specifically Brandon Albert and Ireland refused.

Can you back up that notion of Ireland and Albert? Because my whole knowledge of it is that KC refused to sell to us for a 2nd rd. pick. Nothing ever was mentioned about Ireland refusing. The only refusing I heard was that KC refused to let us give him a physical.

I said that too, I hadn't heard Philbin ask and Ireland refuse, at all.

And Albert DID get a physical. It was very odd, he was here, everyone was gone at the owners meeting, Philbin was cornered by reporters and asked about Martin at LT, Philbin said he was comfortable with Martin, and that he would go with the best player at that position, and that they'll see. Meanwhile, the chatter at the owners meeting was the Dolphins going with Albert. The deal did not get done because supposedly KC wanted a high second rounder, not the lower one Ireland was offering. But if it was critical, there is no way we don't take what KC offered.

If I'm the coach, and I know Martin is not my LT, then I'm leaving Martin on the right side and telling my GM that he needs to get a LT either in FA or in the draft, or else I'm playing Yeatman or somebody else. Your GM has to get you a tackle, he has no choice, period.
 
Who cares what Tannenbaum thinks, the guy is freakn idiot and works for a franchise that is worse than the fins...
 
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