Tannehill: 10-13, 114 yards, 1 TD

[DudeleBroski]

Tannehill is currently slated as a backup. If he's beating up on the other backups it suggests he's more than a backup. Why can't you admit that's a positive development?

He could just say that hes playing with the starters on offense which is why hes doing well.

 

[enigmatics]

Tannehill is currently slated as a backup. If he's beating up on the other backups it suggests he's more than a backup. Why can't you admit that's a positive development?

Beating backups doesn't mean you'd automatically beat starters. It's not such a linear conclusion. I said that what I've taken out of this is that his learning curve is shorter and he's way ahead of where a standard rookie would be in his first camp. This is the positive of having already played under Sherman and knowing the offense (60% of which is a carryover according to Jeff Fuller). Allows Tanny to concentrate more on the speed of the game and analyzing coverages. It'll take some time ....

It wasn't all pretty.

Against the No. 1 defense, Tannehill threw into double coverage and almost was picked off by Reshad Jones. He then completed a pass to Jerome Messam, who was immediately stopped for no gain by Misi.

Tannehill then fumbled a snap, and was sacked for a 7-yard loss by Cameron Wake before the offense punted away.

“The first team throws a little bit more stuff at you, but obviously it’s the same overall defense," Tannehill said. "They’re better at mixing up coverages and disguising a little bit, but we had a couple of plays we should have made when we went against the 1 defense. Obviously, the dropped snap killed us on that drive. Can’t have that. You never know, if I don’t drop that snap, could have had a first down there.”

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-quarterback-scrimmage080412,0,5791541.story

Can he accel vs. starting level talent of the professional game? I will not be a part of the ticker tape parade until we get an answer.

 

[ckparrothead]

Beating backups doesn't mean you'd automatically beat starters. It's not such a linear conclusion. I said that what I've taken out of this is that his learning curve is shorter and he's way ahead of where a standard rookie would be in his first camp. This is the positive of having already played under Sherman and knowing the offense (60% of which is a carryover according to Jeff Fuller). Allows Tanny to concentrate more on the speed of the game and analyzing coverages. It'll take some time ....



Can he accel vs. starting level talent of the professional game? I will not start the ticker tape parade until we get an answer.

That sounds pretty extreme considering he's just going against backups...

 

[enigmatics]

That sounds pretty extreme considering he's just going against backups...

Howso?

Don't know why I'm even asking, since you're just trying to get a rise again by sarcastically using my words against me.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Howso?

Because the "knowing of the playbook" is old news. EVERY rookie in the NFL knows there playbook now. Every rookie.

 

[enigmatics]

Because the "knowing of the playbook" is old news. EVERY rookie in the NFL knows there playbook now. Every rookie.

You mean to tell me every rookie in the NFL would know a playbook more intricately than a guy who previously played under it for two seasons? They wouldn't have a tougher task assimilating their new playbook to the speed of the game and coverages?

In what alternate reality does this kind of thing go on?

 

[Phinatic8u]

You mean to tell me every rookie in the NFL would know a playbook more intricately than a guy who previously played under it for two seasons? They wouldn't have a tougher task assimilating their new playbook to the speed of the game and coverages? In what alternate reality?

In the reality of thats there Job to know there playbook. Just like I have to know my API codes. If I hire a new guy, he needs to know it in under a week tops. So by then he can have his own input in are field of work. Some principle.

Every rookie knows there playbook now, so its all second nature to them, Every rookie is adjusting to the game speed as we speak ALREADY knowing there playbook.

 

[tay0365]

Why 1st team O against 2nd team D? Seems like you would want 1st vs 1st to get a real showing of talent.

Because they are bringing him along the right way, expecting it to take time before he is ready. problem is, he is coming along quicker them some expected.

You know what happens when you put a quality QB with the 1st team against the 2nd team defense? Exactly what you saw in Saturdays scrimmage, and that spoke much louder then any words....and please lets not talk about Tannehill being ahead of everyone else as far as knowing the offense, Tannehill had an advantage over everyone else in early May, had a slight advantage in late May, and no longer had any advantage on knowing the the new offense over any of the other QBs once July came around.

What you saw on Saturday was Tannehill moving yet another step closer to starting or forcing coaches to start considering that possibility on his own with no advantage other then playing like a quality QB. You can either get excited at how well he is advancing or continue to find excuses not to, that is your choice.....but it's happening.

 

[enigmatics]

In the reality of thats there Job to know there playbook. Just like I have to know my API codes. If I hire a new guy, he needs to know it in under a week tops. So by then he can have his own input in are field of work. Some principle.

Every rookie knows there playbook now, so its all second nature to them, Every rookie is adjusting to the game speed as we speak ALREADY knowing there playbook.

There's no way we can even begin to quantify your job with API codes to that of a QB's job in the NFL. That's an oversimplification. Your timetable isn't even an apple-to-apple comparison of how drafted QB's are handled.

Every rookie does not know their playbook as well as Tanny does. Again it's only logical to conclude since he's played under it for two previous seasons. Those other rookies have not. Playing under it in live action vs. competition is on a totally different plane than taking notes in the QB sessions.

 

[enigmatics]

Tannehill had an advantage over everyone else in early May, had a slight advantage in late May, and no longer had any advantage on knowing the the new offense over any of the other QBs once July came around.

Oh really? Hmmm .... Mike Pouncey seemed to indicate Tannehill is still teaching others on the offense .... The quote is from 7/24

"He definitely knows it," Pouncey said of his rookie teammate. "He ran it in college. You can see it in practice. He's teaching the veteran guys some plays. All those guys are working together, so there's not any animosity in the room. Those guys are going out there and competing. He's a guy that's mature and ready to play, he knows this offense and with his arm strength he can help this team."

I don't see any comments about Garrard/Moore doing the teaching.

 

[Tigers2003]

Yeah, judging by the reports from camp I like the idea of getting a draft pick for Moore from a team needing a backup or starter and go with the young guys as backups. I know Moore did well under the circumstances last year but he is not the future at QB and his contract is up next year, get what we can for him

Agreed. Moore did an admirable job. But no one should fall for the fool's gold. He is no long term solution and never has been. Invest in the future and between Garard and Moore I would have to pick Garard. Moore is a good journeyman who will never be good enough to be a 3+ year starter.

 

[tay0365]

Oh really? Hmmm .... Mike Pouncey seemed to indicate Tannehill is still teaching others on the offense .... The quote is from 7/24

...And I am sure there are a few that need the help of Tannehill to learn the offense, but I can tell you positively the QBs had no need that help from Tannehill in june or July. The QBs from day one, made very sure to learned it to the point they knew as well or better then Tannehill
if they expected to start,

I don't see any comments about Garrard/Moore doing the teaching.

The person that has the most experience with that offense is Tannehill, so of course when talking about getting help, they will mention Tannehill 1st, not doing so would seem like a player mentioning another player because he faveroring another QB, I am sure there were times where the other QBs helped a player or two, I am sure Tannehill helped much more then any of the other QB, but trust me the QBs when they came into camp in July, were just as prepared as Tannehill.

You do know that it's much tougher to get used to the speed and talent of the new league, then to learn another offense, don't you?

 

[enigmatics]

You do know that it's much tougher to get used to the speed and talent of the new league, then to learn another offense, don't you?

I've already said as much. That's why backups who've been playing under the same system for a few years don't always excel when it comes down to playing in the game and assimilating the playbook. It's one thing to know the concepts/terminology .... it's a whole other to actually put it to work. Regardless, we're talking a guy with 2 years QB'ing under a playbook(4 years altogether under the same offense) vs. two other guys who've had it for one offseason and haven't even put it to use vs. opposing competition other than controlled camp practices. Not apples to apples by any means, just like trying to gauge an accurate "leader" for the starting job to we start getting into the preseason games.

I understand the enthusiasm behind Tanny ..... but that's now how I go about evaluating the overall picture.

...And I am sure there are a few that need the help of Tannehill to learn the offense, but I can tell you positively the QBs had no need that help from Tannehill in june or July. The QBs from day one, made very sure to learned it to the point they knew as well or better then Tannehill
if they expected to start,

Read Pouncey's comments again. Regardless how can you tell me none of the other QB's needed his help in concepts pertaining to the offense? Did he tell you that?

 

[Phinatic8u]

]There's no way we can even begin to quantify your job with API codes to that of a QB's job in the NFL[/B]. That's an oversimplification. Your timetable isn't even an apple-to-apple comparison of how drafted QB's are handled.

Every rookie does not know their playbook as well as Tanny does. Again it's only logical to conclude since he's played under it for two previous seasons. Those other rookies have not. Playing under it in live action vs. competition is on a totally different plane than taking notes in the QB sessions.

Wanna bet? One of the hardest test you'll ever take.. Has a 25 % success rate. Out of thousands every year. Hence why I get paid 150k for that piece of paper.

 

[EPAR NIF]

Lets not jump the gun here and expect Tannehill to be Jesus reincarnated after one scrimmage.