phinatic1399
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So in his brief career tannehill has completed 44.1% of his deep balls but only 23% to wallace so his deep ball is not that bad its just that him and wallace just cant seam to get on the same page
Tannehill has completed 44.1% of his deepballs in his 2 yrs but only 23% to Wallace
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Thanks for the stats but he doesn't seem to be accurate throwing the deep ball. As someone else suggested, he needs to try to overthrow Wallace because it looks like he consistently underthrows and Wallace having created separation has to wait for it.
Look, we know Wallace has deficiencies. Tannehill must hit him, otherwise he is leaving TDs on the field. That is the bottom line.
It would be nice to see Wallace grab the floaters too, but that is not the point. The point is to hit him for a TD. Tannehill has to do that.
I don't know who he's hitting with that 40+ percent, but thos are not TDs.
It would be nice to see Wallace grab the floaters too, but that is not the point. The point is to hit him for a TD. Tannehill has to do that.
I don't know who he's hitting with that 40+ percent, but thos are not TDs.
It's a Team Sport...Wallace must also has put a little more effort into catching an imperfect throw.
More often then not, Tanne is running for his life and is lucky to get the ball off at all.
I have no stats, but It'd bet more incompletions are of that sort vs. Tanne with time just not hitting Wallace.
More often then not, Tanne is running for his life and is lucky to get the ball off at all.
I have no stats, but It'd bet more incompletions are of that sort vs. Tanne with time just not hitting Wallace.
Link please.
According to ESPN Stats Splits RT17 has completed only 7 of 28 passes over 21 yards in the air this year. (25%)
Last year he was 15 for 45 (33%)
How in the hang does 25% and 33% end up being 44%?
I'm calling BS.
It not his deep throw it his ability to read the fly route
I can remember he missed BH by a step a couple of times last year
The ball should be in the air before Wallace is open especially in man to man coverage.
When Wallace or any reciever makes his move to beat the defender the ball should have been in the air
Wating on the ball to get to the target was the strength of Chris Chambers and Brandon Marshall
I can remember he missed BH by a step a couple of times last year
The ball should be in the air before Wallace is open especially in man to man coverage.
When Wallace or any reciever makes his move to beat the defender the ball should have been in the air
Wating on the ball to get to the target was the strength of Chris Chambers and Brandon Marshall
ckparrothead
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ckparrothead
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Pro Football Focus.
Accuracy = Catches + Drops.
He's 4 of 17 (23.5%) to Wallace, 16 of 33 (48.4%) to Hartline, 14 of 35 (40.0%) to everyone else. If you smush together Hartline with everyone else he's 30 of 68 (44.1%) when he's not throwing to Wallace.
Deep for this offense is anything over 15 yards. Then maybe he's at 44%
ckparrothead
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Anything over 20 yards to be exact.
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Thanks for the stats explanation CK, much appreciated. I'm a Tannehill fan, but got to admit some of those long throws he has missed to an open Wallace had me fairly frustrated (especially the under-throws). Do you have an explanation for his struggles with Wallace? Is it as simple as Tannehill is not used to Wallace's elite speed that he misjudges his throws? I know Tannehill has more than enough arm to sling it that far.
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I mentioned it it another thread that because almost every miss to Wallace is the same, mostly underthrown as opposed to spraying it all over, it seems like something isn't transferring from the practice field to the game between these two. Either Tanney loses some technique in a real game or Wallace isn't running full speed in practice, and these percentages would indicate its the latter.
Ok so PFF is giving RT17 credit for 8 drops over the last 2 years. In 68 passes that is well over 10% which explains the difference.I'm take more stock in completion percentage.
Getting Wallace and having qb in 2nd year I thought we would easily surpass our conservative 45 attempts last year. But we are on pace to throw the same 45 deep passes this year. Probably due to poor blocking. But we are only on pace to complete 11 this year as compared to 15 last year.
So you can say all you want about accuracy but in the key area of completing the big play we are doing worse then last year.
I think it is just a matter of time before RT17 and Wallace get on the same page. When they do I expect these stats to improve greatly.
akfinfan
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How much more time did Tannehill have to throw last year compared to this year?!?! That's where the real problem is. It takes a little longer to step into a good hard long throw like that. OLINE play sucks ballz this year. Tannehill wasn't taking near as many sacks last year.....OLINE SUCKS.
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Guys like Chad Hene & Ryan Tannehill are good at throwing laser beams at targets, including over 20 yds. But they don't have the timing & touch to hit deep go routes in stride.
Mike Wallace's main weapon is catching the deep go route in stride. When paired with a QB who is accurate in hitting a deep go route in stride (Roethlisberger), Mike Wallace is an elite WR. When paired with a QB who doesn't have that ability (Tannehill, Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich), then Mike Wallace is a very mediocre receiver.
So when Tannehill is throwing 20+ yd laser beams to hands-catcher Brian Hartline, Tannehill has a 44.1% completion rate.
But Tannehill he's trying to throw laser beams to Mike Wallace, many will bounce off his hands. And if Tannehill is trying to hit Wallace on a deep go route in stride, Tannehill doesn't have the timing & touch to do it. Thus, 23% completion rate to Wallace.
Not all pass patterns over 20 yds are the same. Some QBs are good at throwing bullets, but suck at hitting the deep go route in stride. Some WRs are terrible at extending with their hands and catching bullets, but are good at catching the deep go route passes in stride.
- Roethlisberger + Wallace = Good match
- Tannehill + Wallace = Bad match
- Tannehill + Hartline = Good match