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Tannehill, play action, faking hand offs etc

Ryan Tannehill didn't play QB until his junior year in college and some of the fakes and deception nuances still need some work.
Some guys are really good at it, and others do but do not really sell it.
I think RT can be good at it, he just needs to have a good QB coach instead of a coach's son working with him.
With all the changes this off season, especially the addition of Lazor's offense, we will finally see Rt utilize his skills and I am sure his ball handling will be better.
Those fakes set up the long ball. He must complete those passes. I fear that RT just doesn't have that long ball accuracy and touch.
Having a guy like Landry, who catches everything, will become RT's favorite receiver. Wallace and RT will hit a a few, but in my gut I think RT just doesn't put the ball where Wallace likes it.
 
Corkie said:
Just watching some of last years games getting ready for the new season.

I'm a Tannehill fan and believe he will perform well this year. However, can some one some where teach him to "sell" the fake in whatever play-action is the call. He really doesn't fool anyone at the moment, and when he breaks out without the ball, his hands are nearly by his side. He needs to sell the move and freeze the defence.

Opinions please.
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This is a huge fault in a lot of QBs. Marino would rarely get within a yard of the RB I used to cal his PA fake the "olé". Look up Tom Brady's stats for his play action passes, they are unreal because he really sells it. Part of it is the way he hands off turning back toward the RB so you cannot really see the hand off.

The fake is 80% of a play action pass yet almost no one seems to even try to do it. I was a Wishbone QB in HS (I'm that old) and this was before handycams so i used a mirror to practice in front of. Plus have others look. One surprising thing about Tannehill is that he ran the spread option at A&M. He does it well when it is a option run yet he does a poor job when it is a PA pass.

All in all, this has to go on the Coaches, they need to stress it more.
 
In his previous two years we underutilized many aspects of Tannehills game, including his running and using the play action, Sherman was in a hard mold for his system and although I'm not one to say the "old ways" don't work, because they can if you have the right personnel, using a young athletic QB doesn't fit the scheme of the old ways. I suspect under a young OC like Lazor we will see a 180 degree change in Tannehills utilization.
 
This is not exactly a high caliber aspect of football. In watching the sport for more than 45 years I can think of only a handful of guys who were excellent at the play action fake.

In watching the slow motion replays from behind the defense, you can see why it doesn't really matter. There's so much congestion the linebackers don't have a clear view and are forced to respect virtually any version. As long as the shoulder dips just enough and the quarterback looks in the direction of the back and not downfield, the linebackers pause and pay attention.

I'm sure some defensive coordinators have a more sophisticated trigger than others, teaching their guys when to ignore. But overall it's a low level and almost laughable segment of this sport, compared to virtually anything else. Viewers can tell instantly at the snap that it's no threat of an actual running play yet there's that replay with the linebackers flatfooted and briefly baffled.

TV viewers are treated to replay to help explain developments in the secondary that weren't obvious at first glance. Linebackers and safeties could use those replays to explain happenings on the other side of the line that they couldn't detect at first glance. That's why instincts are so vital at linebacker, beyond perhaps any other position. The elite middle linebackers can decipher that play fake and flow almost as if they are watching the TV version along with us.

I'd say Tannehill is decent at extending the ball and selling the fake, somewhat above average.

Steve DeBerg may have been the best of all time, certainly among them. It looked great in his prime but later in his career when the footwork slowed it was sad when DeBerg was wasting time with the play fake as the rush caved in on him. Of course, late in his career for DeBerg was into his late 30s and early 40s. He played a long time.
 
Peyton Manning's stood out to me when he was a rookie, obviously it made an impression because I still remember one of them that completely faked out the camera men. Whether or not one is more effective than another the movement tells me a lot about the QB, it can be an indication he's actually playing the game at its most basic level as opposed to a supreme athlete just going through the motions. Watch Tom Brady's playaction movement, he's a master at it..
 
Anybody remember Boomer Esiason faking out the entire Dallas Cowboy defense circa 1992?
 
Awsi Dooger said:
This is not exactly a high caliber aspect of football. In watching the sport for more than 45 years I can think of only a handful of guys who were excellent at the play action fake.

In watching the slow motion replays from behind the defense, you can see why it doesn't really matter. There's so much congestion the linebackers don't have a clear view and are forced to respect virtually any version. As long as the shoulder dips just enough and the quarterback looks in the direction of the back and not downfield, the linebackers pause and pay attention.

I'm sure some defensive coordinators have a more sophisticated trigger than others, teaching their guys when to ignore. But overall it's a low level and almost laughable segment of this sport, compared to virtually anything else. Viewers can tell instantly at the snap that it's no threat of an actual running play yet there's that replay with the linebackers flatfooted and briefly baffled.

TV viewers are treated to replay to help explain developments in the secondary that weren't obvious at first glance. Linebackers and safeties could use those replays to explain happenings on the other side of the line that they couldn't detect at first glance. That's why instincts are so vital at linebacker, beyond perhaps any other position. The elite middle linebackers can decipher that play fake and flow almost as if they are watching the TV version along with us.

I'd say Tannehill is decent at extending the ball and selling the fake, somewhat above average.

Steve DeBerg may have been the best of all time, certainly among them. It looked great in his prime but later in his career when the footwork slowed it was sad when DeBerg was wasting time with the play fake as the rush caved in on him. Of course, late in his career for DeBerg was into his late 30s and early 40s. He played a long time.
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I used to love to watch DeBerg sell the play fake like a champ! I was just sitting here trying to think of his name. Thanks Awsi!
 
NorFlaFin said:
Anybody remember Boomer Esiason faking out the entire Dallas Cowboy defense circa 1992?
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Boomer seemed to fake the camera crew at least once a game. It would be hard to pick between him and Deberg they both where great at it.
 
Except for the infamous fake spike play.....Marino absolutely sucked at it.

Steve Deberg...who play here for a while was great at it.. none of it rubbed off on Marino.
 
Marino didn't think he had to be good at it. Didn't even try. You could tell he was just going through the motions with his PA fakes. That is by far my biggest knock on Marino's QB play. Other than that, he was the very best.
 
ANUFan said:
Honestly, I would say "most" qb not named P.Manning don't sell a fake well. He has been one of the few QBs that has consistently fooled a few people. He's fooled commentators, camera-guys and myself watching.
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And apparently Peyton had mastered selling the fake at like age 15. He loved doing it as a kid - it sounds like it came naturally to him. Maybe Archie was good at it too?
 
They say Namath was a master of the play-action fake in high school. The stories on referees blowing quick whistles on running backs tackled without the ball are legendary in western Pennsylvania.
 
If anyone can look it up, I'd semi like to see Brady's PA pass stats from couple of seasons ago or even now. His QB rating was off the chart, the amount of first downs and touchdowns on PA passes were scary.

But you also have to have a good running game for it to really really work. And also, when do you call them? 3rd and 10? Nooooooo 2nd and 3? yessssss
 
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