Tannehill vs Texas on ESPNU now

[OyeDale305]

Hm, so upon watching Tannehill play you didn't like what you saw. But since the same guy who liked Pat White and Gibril Wilson likes him, that means that you should? Makes a ton of sense.

So just because he had bad games hes garbage really? with basically no Wrs and with a bunch of drops i might add, and the only reason why the dolphins picked up Fuller was because of the chemistry and he has familiarity with the playbook smart one... the only weakness he has is basically not a lot of experience. Btw why the fk are you comparing Tannehill to a baseball player pat white really?? and Wilson Ha! They didn't have the opportunity this guy has so be quiet..

 

[hoops]

jeff fuller...if he starts for us at wr all i can say is that means we got some bad football players at the position...

 

[Built2Win]

Picking Ryan was a reach he does appear to be a project. Though at that spot if you wanted a qb everybody else was a reach as well.
Tannehill ceiling is high though. Listening to Ryan you get the impression how much he wants to win and his head is definitely thinking the right things to be successful. Look at ryan leaf. The guy just got caught breaking into somebodies home and stealing painkillers..

 

[RidinSurtains]

the texas d was overrated in 2011...no doubt about that...but op landry jones is hot garbage...he was dreadful in 2011

I honestly appreciate you speaking to me like a human being despite the fact that I have a conflicting opinion to common finheaven logic. That being said, Jones still fared tremendously better than Tanny did vs Texas, and that was the game in question.

 

[OyeDale305]

I honestly appreciate you speaking to me like a human being despite the fact that I have a conflicting opinion to common finheaven logic. That being said, Jones still fared tremendously better than Tanny did vs Texas, and that was the game in question.

So what you're saying.. is basically tanny sucks because he should of lit up the texas defense is that correct?? Lol nice evaluation btw Jones is hot garbage

 

[RidinSurtains]

So just because he had bad games hes garbage really? with basically no Wrs and with a bunch of drops i might add, and the only reason why the dolphins picked up Fuller was because of the chemistry and he has familiarity with the playbook smart one... the only weakness he has is basically not a lot of experience. Btw why the fk are you comparing Tannehill to a baseball player pat white really?? and Wilson Ha! They didn't have the opportunity this guy has so be quiet..

Um, I'm comparing Tannehill to Pat White because they were drafted by the same GM. I'm saying that I question the credibility of the eye for "talent".

 

[RidinSurtains]

So what you're saying.. is basically tanny sucks because he should of lit up the texas defense is that correct?? Lol nice evaluation btw Jones is hot garbage

No, I'm saying that Tannehill was not worth the 8th overall pick because he miserably failed against good teams in big spots. His performance against Texas certainly didn't help.

 

[tay0365]

He liked Brandon Weeden better than Ryan Tannehill until the Dolphins drafted Ryan Tannehill...
And he stopped arguing with me because he disagreed with me about Texas' defense which (as I illustrated previously) was annihilated by all good opposition they faced.
I'm up against a flip flopper that likes bad Big 12 defense. Cool..

Actually he said he liked Weeden more then pretty much any of the other QB other then Luck, why? Because according to CK he is a finished product. When making predictions about the 1st round, this is what CK's wrote.

"QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M: In the absence of a trade down, this may be the way to go that works best for Miami from a system standpoint. He is not my first choice at quarterback but he is only a shade off my first choice. Whenever you hear analysts criticize Tannehill or suggest he isn't any good, you should always think of one fact: he is very, very good at sensing pressure, reacting to it, and throwing on the run. You marry that with his experience in Miami's system, his size, arm strength, accuracy, quick feet, quickest delivery in the Draft, and his pure athleticism and running skills, and I literally don't know how Miami could go wrong taking him. It does not compute."

But sure, because he like Weeden more, so that obviously meant he hated Tannehill.

By the way, I read everything Ck has said about the QB position this year, and I have a problem remembering anytime he said he did not like Tannehill, maybe in the top 10 was a bit to early, but never that he was not worth taking.

 

[ckparrothead]

I can't even believe I'm going to get drawn into this.

OK, let's talk about the Texas pass defense. Since, you know, that's what we're talking about, Ryan Tannehill the quarterback and his performance against the Texas pass defense.

You say Oklahoma put up 55 against the defense. The only problem with that is it isn't true. The Oklahoma defense scored not one, not two, but THREE touchdowns off Texas turnovers. You accuse ME of never having watched the games. Well hey, you're the one saying Oklahoma's offense scored 55 against the Texas defense when they actually scored 34 points. Why let facts get in the way of a good argument?

Now, it is a matter of fact that Texas allowed 48 points to Baylor. I'm sure Baylor's 200 yards rushing and 4 rushing touchdowns had something to do with that, but Griffin was still pretty efficient in the game only throwing one interception.

I didn't see many quarterbacks having very efficient passing days against Texas this year, but Landry Jones and Robert Griffin were two of them. Brandon Weeden was not. If you actually WATCHED Weeden play against Texas, which I did, you know he actually struggled in that game probably more than he did the entire year.

Against the QBs other than Landry Jones and Robert Griffin, the Texas pass defense allowed a 54.2 NFL passer rating. Even including those two performances, they allowed a 72.4 passer rating which is pretty good in its own right.

You labeled their defense "dog ****". That's just not accurate.

I'm not a fan of Big 12 defense. But I'm not about to blanket every defense in the conference as you seem to want to do. Nebraska was a Big 12 defense just one year ago, yet that was one of the best pass defenses I saw in all of college football. Exceptions happen.

Oh and by the way you have no ****ing clue what I think of Weeden and Tannehill because you don't read and you make assumptions with an emphasis on the first three letters. I liked Weeden better than Tannehill before the Draft, and I like him better than Tannehill after the Draft.

 

[ckparrothead]

I'm happy to discuss and debate with anyone who is willing to be serious and rational about the subject matter. That does not, by ANY means, mean you have to agree with me in order for me to discuss with you. Just the opposite. I'd rather discuss things with people that have opposing viewpoint. However I do demand people be serious and rational about things, and based on the original post and the ensuing response I judged that this original poster, whoever he is, is not willing to be either. Hence my saying I'm going to bow out of any potential debates here.

 

[TGall13]

CK, nice job putting that one to bed. Nothing more to see here.

 

[RidinSurtains]

I can't even believe I'm going to get drawn into this.

OK, let's talk about the Texas pass defense. Since, you know, that's what we're talking about, Ryan Tannehill the quarterback and his performance against the Texas pass defense.

You say Oklahoma put up 55 against the defense. The only problem with that is it isn't true. The Oklahoma defense scored not one, not two, but THREE touchdowns off Texas turnovers. You accuse ME of never having watched the games. Well hey, you're the one saying Oklahoma's offense scored 55 against the Texas defense when they actually scored 34 points. Why let facts get in the way of a good argument?

Now, it is a matter of fact that Texas allowed 48 points to Baylor. I'm sure Baylor's 200 yards rushing and 4 rushing touchdowns had something to do with that, but Griffin was still pretty efficient in the game only throwing one interception.

I didn't see many quarterbacks having very efficient passing days against Texas this year, but Landry Jones and Robert Griffin were two of them. Brandon Weeden was not. If you actually WATCHED Weeden play against Texas, which I did, you know he actually struggled in that game probably more than he did the entire year.

Against the QBs other than Landry Jones and Robert Griffin, the Texas pass defense allowed a 54.2 NFL passer rating. Even including those two performances, they allowed a 72.4 passer rating which is pretty good in its own right.

You labeled their defense "dog ****". That's just not accurate.

I'm not a fan of Big 12 defense. But I'm not about to blanket every defense in the conference as you seem to want to do. Nebraska was a Big 12 defense just one year ago, yet that was one of the best pass defenses I saw in all of college football. Exceptions happen.

Oh and by the way you have no ****ing clue what I think of Weeden and Tannehill because you don't read and you make assumptions with an emphasis on the first three letters. I liked Weeden better than Tannehill before the Draft, and I like him better than Tannehill after the Draft.

Ok cool, so now that you're done copying and pasting box scores, we can get back to my original and simple point. RG3, Landry Jones, Brandon Weedenand Ryan Tannehill were really the only 4 legitimately decent QBs that the Texas defense played this year. 3 out of those 4 guys had good games against Texas. Who was the odd man out of that equation?

Glad that we agree about Weeden btw, but I'm not gonna come on here and act as if Im happy that we picked the inferior QB. Why are you?

 

[Vaark]

Um, I'm comparing Tannehill to Pat White because they were drafted by the same GM. I'm saying that I question the credibility of the eye for "talent".

I am posting this again.. pay particular attention to option 3 because you're heading down the path ending in STFU and WGAF.

The bottom line is that we have drafted Tanny. He wasn't my first choice either, but we will rise or fall with him and as true fans we should have more of a vested interest in hoping and rooting for the best, than in continuing to rip his play apart based on your perception of his own relative merits or because you have a personal vendetta against the GM who drafted him in concert with the guy who knew him best and broke a few then existing club offensive records as coach of GB.,

At this point, it doesn't matter what you think. We've drafted our first potential franchise QB hope since Marino and continuing to relentlessly rain on his parade is just cognitive dissonance on what's now a feel good party. It serves no earthly purpose to keep attacking the pick because that horse is out of the barn and there's nothing you can do about it other than piss FH members off who can give a flying **** what you think to begin with.

So take a chill pill and if you're truly a Fins fan, you can continue to doubt, hopefully silently now that you've been so vocal, and start hoping for the best cause there's nothing to be gained by trashing T-hill at this point other than you mistakenly trying to prove how smart you are. That's just a word to the wise :up:

 

[ckparrothead]

Tannehill had a terrible outing against Texas. No denying that. Just a bad, bad day. Now, if you ask me, his receivers dropping a bunch of passes probably had something to do with that. The lack of ground efficiency also had something to do with it, as Texas was built pretty well to victimize passing attacks.

What I liked about it, and trust me there wasn't much to like about this particular outing, is that even a bad day for him wasn't totally bad. He throws the three interceptions, one of which gets returned for a touchdown, but he still threw two touchdowns. He sitll led 25 points of offense. And when you get right down to it, the Aggies are down 8 points with 8 minutes left to go, and Ryan Tannehill leads the offense down into the Texas red zone for a field goal, and then on the next drive leads his team 68 yards down the field for a go-ahead touchdown with less than 2 minutes in the game (1:42).

That's what I liked about it. Tannehill isn't supposed to be a winner. But he did some things that winners do. Obviously this was a day where everything was going against him and he was having a crap day. But he still pulled it out in the end, if not for a Texas A&M defense that couldn't stop anyone.

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Ok cool, so now that you're done copying and pasting box scores, we can get back to my original and simple point.

Hence my original decision not to get into such a pointless debate. You're truly not worth my time.

 

[RidinSurtains]

I am posting this again.. pay particular attention to option 3 because you're heading down the path ending in STFU and WGAF.

The bottom line is that we have drafted Tanny. He wasn't my first choice either, but we will rise or fall with him and as true fans we should have more of a vested interest in hoping and rooting for the best, than in continuing to rip his play apart based on your perception of his own relative merits or because you have a personal vendetta against the GM who drafted him in concert with the guy who knew him best and broke a few then existing club offensive records as coach of GB.,

At this point, it doesn't matter what you think. We've drafted our first potential franchise QB hope since Marino and continuing to relentlessly rain on his parade is just cognitive dissonance on what's now a feel good party. It serves no earthly purpose to keep attacking the pick because that horse is out of the barn and there's nothing you can do about it other than piss FH members off who can give a flying **** what you think to begin with.

So take a chill pill and if you're truly a Fins fan, you can continue to doubt, hopefully silently now that you've been so vocal, and start hoping for the best cause there's nothing to be gained by trashing T-hill at this point other than you mistakenly trying to prove how smart you are. That's just a word to the wise :up:

The very last line of my OP was : Hoping for the best and expecting the worst, AS USUAL.

I'm rooting for Tannehill as hard as I possibly can, but my brain can't allow me to believe that he will be a good NFL QB.