Tannehill's Struggles Over The Middle- A Closer Look

[flynryan15]

Man, I thought I was the forum a-hole but you take the cake

Nah it's your crown I just borrowed it.

 

[finjim]

Oh you can be a royal a-hole without getting banned. Getting banned is just being a sloppy temperamental a-hole. Being an in-control a-hole avoiding bans takes real skill.

I never said I was smart about it.

It's very simple. My opinion is right if you disagree, you are wrong.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I'm gonna fully agree with Ryan that this really shoulda been posted in the existing thread about Tannehill's passing over the middle, but hey, a man has a right to start threads.

 

[So Be]

Ummmm...I am here to defend FlynRyan.

Southbeach, he is right.

Thanks!

Now that you agree, I do feel much better.

Thanks :)

 

[flynryan15]

I put up threads on things I would like to talk about, and what we have been talking about on South Beach. If you don't like them, go to all the others available and ignore them. How hard is that to do?

IF everyo0ne was doing the same, I would just stop posting. Your personal attacks don't matter, as I consider the source, with nothing better to do. :)

If this were true and you were talking about it on "South Beach" you wouldn't feel the need to run to finheaven and start yet another thread about it. Learn the difference between a attack and an accurate observation, must be a heavy flow day on South Beach.

 

[Digital]

Those stats definitely tell part of the story. But there is more to it as well.

Those throws are the bread and butter throws to slot receivers and tight ends. In his rookie year Tannehill had Bess and Fasano. Bess routinely cut his routes short which makes for a safer play but doesn't move the chains. Fasano was a safety blanket. But, Tannehill was a rookie with less experience than most and a larger learning curve.

Year two he had significant improvement, but he had to deal with 3 new targets in Keller, Gibson and Wallace. As he developed chemistry with Keller, who ran a lot of those routes, Keller went down fo the season and his replacement, Clay, couldn't run those routes reliably.

Tannehill did have some issues with Gibson but he really got over those and the two developed great chemistry. Then as our offense was humming along about a third of the way through the season, he lost Gibson for the season.

While Keller and Gibson were reliable route runners, their replacements, Clay and Matthews, we're still raw at it. Also, they didn't have enough reps with Tannehill to develop the same amount of chemistry.

So, Tannehill had to break in new targets 4 and 5 ... neither of whom was polished at it. The results were mixed.

Throws over the middle are the most dangerous as well. Moving safeties and dropping linebackers make read progression very tough for a young QB.

Given Tannehill's gun and good accuracy, he was better at throwing the safer deep outs that are so dangerous for weaker armed and less accurate QB's.

But, over the middle Tannehill had problems gaging speed. His fear of leading a target too much led to him throwing slightly behind his receiver sometimes. It's almost as if he were aiming it rather than instinctually throwing it.

That is a problem of not enough reps with that receiver running that route precisely. When the receiver runs it exactly the same angle and depth each time and at exactly the same speed each time, with the positioning and timing being precisely the same each time ... it becomes like clockwork.

Tannehill needs a ton of reps with these guys to get it down on these timing routes. And, those receivers need to become more precise in their route running.

All of these errors looked like they are correctable. I'm not seeing terrible ball placement or inconsistent reads. It just looks like the battery needs more reps together.

We want Tannehill and the receivers to be on the same page immediately ... but that doesn't look likely. It going to take time.

 

[Asicswrg85]

You need to compare this to other QBs. I bet if you look up basic statistics on QB play, the most interceptions occur in the middle of the field. Everyone knows the most dangerous part of a defense is right in its heart or center

 

[flynryan15]

You need to compare this to other QBs. I bet if you look up basic statistics on QB play, the most interceptions occur in the middle of the field. Everyone knows the most dangerous part of a defense is right in its heart or center

How about you make your avatar a sig and keep posting? Thanks from the finheaven community!

 

[Dolphin North]

So back to Tannehill...I wonder how many of the drops and incompletions were thrown inaccurately, and especially behind a horizontally moving receiver past 8 yards or so. Under that distance it seems his arm strength helps him even when he hesitates or is just inaccurate. Deeper than that it just seems he cannot compensate for his hesitation with traffic, especially on a horizontally moving target.
This may be one of the problems Lazor may be able to fix, at least earlier in the season with less reads to go through before just dumping it off to help put us in position to keep the chains moving. The problem may be later when teams figure out where the ball is often going.
Plus there's the hesitation sometimes when receivers are open. That's when you want the ball in the air but that requires anticipation. Hopefully time can help iron that out, but with little to no progress in that area last year it looks bleak on that one.
If I had to predict, boards will be blowing up with people saying I told you so when Tannehill starts well, then blowing up with people saying the opposite when defenses get enough tape on this new Lazor system, as run in Miami. But hopefully we will just keep right on cruising along somehow.
I don't want to offend anyone. That's just my opinion and I apologize if my post doesn't fit what was intended here. SouthBeach I know you want everything to be alright on the Tannehill front and so do I. In fact I don't know any fan who doesn't. I don't see why there is another thread here that is calling out "haters" either. Who could hate him? He seems like a great person. Does community stuff with his wife, seems hard working and wholesome. Great great athletic ability. But still, I just don't think everything is okay on the field with him, even as an inexperienced player and we can find ways to blame different problem areas on the line, the running backs and Wallace. They do deserve a share of the blame, but I can't see enough in Tannehill to feel like everything is going to work out for him and the Dolphins anytime soon. He will need a lot of playing time IMO, to become a complete or consistent enough QB to lead a team. Can we win with him? Probably, but we better have a very, very good team around him every year.

Okay I'll move along now. I know nobody likes hearing this stuff.

 

[flynryan15]

Why is what I do any concern of yours? It does appear that you have nothing better to do, and have nothing to say on other threads on the Phins. Move on.

What you talk about on "South Beach" isn't my concern. Although I am not sure why you threw that out there other then a pathetic attempt at vanity?!?! I have plenty to say about the fins, and it is much better then the dozens of threads on them you start with the omg guys I am worried, what if this or that whiny banter you start. Look again many have agreed with me!

 

[So Be]

You need to compare this to other QBs. I bet if you look up basic statistics on QB play, the most interceptions occur in the middle of the field. Everyone knows the most dangerous part of a defense is right in its heart or center

Here's a few.

Brady- 53 of 89, 5 TD's, and 2 picks.

Peyton- 45 of 73, 6 TD's, and 3 picks.

Luck- 45 of 82, 6 TD's, and 4 picks.

Looks like RT's accuracy of 45 of 71 was right there but with more picks, drops, and fewer TD's.

 

[mega-fin-love]

Southbeach can post whatever he wants. Sorry Flyn but you did attack him. His thread title was very clear on what the thread was about. You chose to enter the thread just to take a shot at Southbeach. I do think he posts a little more often then needed but he also has put up plenty of good threads. Either way he was attacked several times on this thread alone and that's not cool.

 

[FinHopeful]

Here's a few.

Brady- 53 of 89, 5 TD's, and 2 picks.

Peyton- 45 of 73, 6 TD's, and 3 picks.

Luck- 45 of 82, 6 TD's, and 4 picks.

Looks like RT's accuracy of 45 of 71 was right there but with more picks, drops, and fewer TD's.

Given these comparisons, I am not worried about his problems in this area last year. He was an inexperienced 2nd year QB with inexperienced receivers. Add an offensive line with protection issues. He needs to do better this year, but I give him a pass for his issues last year.

 

[finjim]

Southbeach can post whatever he wants. Sorry Flyn but you did attack him. His thread title was very clear on what the thread was about. You chose to enter the thread just to take a shot at Southbeach. I do think he posts a little more often then needed but he also has put up plenty of good threads. Either way he was attacked several times on this thread alone and that's not cool.

I am here to defend Flynryan....ahem....


He is right....always.

 

[dolpns13]

So explain how it is Tannehills struggles if, per your thread, the fault lies with the receivers.

I've read some articles here on RT's problems in throwing to the middle of the field, and took a closer look. I found the problems to be in the middle between 10 and 19 yards.

RT was 45 of 71 for 840 yards, 3 TD's but 6 of his 17 picks. Here's a WR breakdown.

Hartline- caught 16 of 20, 1 pick and 1 drop. No problem there.

Matthews- 6 of 9, 0 picks, 0 drops. No problem there.

Wallace- 9 of 16, 2 picks, 3 drops. Problem.

Gibson- 4 of 7, 1 pick, 1 drop. Not VG.

Clay- 7 of 15, 2 picks, 2 drops. Problem.

Totals of 6 picks and 7 drops on 71 throws is not getting it done but, the pr0blems were with new receivers, and should improve a lot this year.

* Side note- In 2012, RT went to Clay 6 times for 2 catches and 3 drops. Clay really needs to improve in this area.