Tanny > Matty Ice

[joeharley666]

NO for sure, he didn't even compete
Bal- D scored a TD to tie it late, got the ball back tied late and failed to get into FG range. after Bal kicked a FG got ball back w/ plenty of time, failed to get into makeable FG range.
Buf- threw INT for TD, threw one of worst passes of the year for another RZ INT, fumbled late w/ lead setting up Buf for GW FG then to top it off gets KR to near midfield and doesn't gain a yard in 4 plays.
NE- total team meltdown in 2nd half
TB- had 2 possessions to get into FG range to tie it in the 4th, failed both times



He's never been all pro either



mark Sanchez in 2010 was MILES ahead of where Tannehill is this year and he was better in 2011 for most of the year- until the final few games. we'll see what Ryan's final few games look like soon enough.

:lol2: this jetbag said Mark Sanchez:lol2::crazy:
Go back to the jet board where you're welcomed

 

[hoops]

NO for sure, he didn't even compete
Bal- D scored a TD to tie it late, got the ball back tied late and failed to get into FG range. after Bal kicked a FG got ball back w/ plenty of time, failed to get into makeable FG range.
Buf- threw INT for TD, threw one of worst passes of the year for another RZ INT, fumbled late w/ lead setting up Buf for GW FG then to top it off gets KR to near midfield and doesn't gain a yard in 4 plays.
NE- total team meltdown in 2nd half
TB- had 2 possessions to get into FG range to tie it in the 4th, failed both times



He's never been all pro either



mark Sanchez in 2010 was MILES ahead of where Tannehill is this year and he was better in 2011 for most of the year- until the final few games. we'll see what Ryan's final few games look like soon enough.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

mark Sanchez in 2010 was MILES ahead of where Tannehill is this year

You can't be serious. You are knocking Tannehill for his stats this year. They are BETTER than Sanchez's numbers in 2010. BETTER. More yds/game, more TDs/game, higher complete %, higher yards per attempt, higher rating.

Put down the crack pipe. Get over it. Sanchez SUCKS!!!!! Even his own team knows it!

 

[nyjunc]

Incompetent by holding them back from 2 SB appearances. Incompetent enough to get benched.

I told you so. Admit it, I was right about Sanchez. It won't hurt, admit it. It will be cathartic. Admit it. I told you so.

Happy Butt Fumble Day!

why would I admit something that isn't true?

so, do you consider Miller an upgrade?

probably not BUT Miller is a quality back, I heard all offseason how great he was going to be. You still have good enough RBs to win with.

Not even close, unlike Ryan who has been folding in late game situations Mark led late game win after late game win then helped us reach ANOTHER Title game by outplaying the best QB of this generation on the road.

You can't be serious. You are knocking Tannehill for his stats this year. They are BETTER than Sanchez's numbers in 2010. BETTER. More yds/game, more TDs/game, higher complete %, higher yards per attempt, higher rating.

Put down the crack pipe. Get over it. Sanchez SUCKS!!!!! Even his own team knows it!

I am not knocking him for his stats. It was stated he has more TDs than last year, I simply stated he was near his INT totals already too.

Mark was MUCH better than his #s and a huge reason why we won 11 games and nearly made a SB. Ryan 2013 is nowhere near Mark 2010. Not even debatable.

 

[rent this space]

probably not BUT Miller is a quality back, I heard all offseason how great he was going to be. You still have good enough RBs to win with.

if everything you heard on Finheaven became reality, we would be going for 15th Lombardi Trophy this year

 

[Shouright]

It's bothersome that Miami's own fan base criticizes Tannehill at unrealistic levels. He's a second year player who did not have the same experience level as many of the other quarterbacks had when they came out.

Tannehill stands tough in the pocket, and critically, he keeps his eyes downfield with the pocket collapsing around him. He has a strong arm and toughness. He is a bright guy and studies hard. He will get better. His leadership is demonstrably getting stronger. None of these attributes has a darn thing to do with statistics. There are statistics and damn lies. But Tannehill is going to go from 12 TDs to over 20 this season. Next season, it should go from there.

Listen to this morning's Bill Polian interview with Joe Rose. Polian talked about how Peyton and Marvin Harrison missed deep throws their first year together. After that season, they developed the timing. That's what will happen with Mike Wallace. As Polian explained, last off season, Wallace was simply trying to learn new routes, terminology, etc., in a new system. During the season, they are installing game plans, etc. It will be this coming off season where Wallace and Tannehill will improve their timing.

You can also expect a big improvement in pass pro with new personnel. Since Tannehill is so tough hanging in the pocket even while it collapses, imagine what he will do with a more safe pocket.

I also expect Tannehill to get better coaching. He can work on pre-snap reads and looking off receivers, and I question his coaching, particularly from Zak Taylor, in these regards.

The result: Tannehill should be a 25 TD plus qb next season and we should see many more 30 point games. He has the bona fides.

I don't think anybody knows for sure just what's going to happen.

 

[Vaark]

If in fact stats are misleading and you'really only as good as your wins (as someonebhere contended in another thread when criticizing. THill) , then the 52 turnovers in Sanchez's last 2 seasons, the worst 4yr starting QB stats outside of JaMarcus and more turnovers in 4yrs than any other QB mean less than the 6 wins in his last 19 games which as a stand-alone make The Buttfumbler one of the worst starting QBs in the league at present. Does anyone not wearing homer blinders really think if healthy he could even beat out Henne in Jacksonville?.

 

[DolfanISS]

if you don't think you have upgraded I don't know what to tell you.

we have a rookie in our OL so how does the whole OL have a year under their belt? and our OL is a lot better than last year.

Stephen Hill hasn't developed, just merely having another year doesn't guarantee but Hartline has improved. How could he not? he was good last year and this year he actually has other players to take attention away from him. The #s may not be as good but he's a better player.




where are these examples of success w/ little talent around him?




I see the resident crybaby/excuse maker/homer has joined in to ruin another thread.

I'm sorry I thought we were defining wins as success so I was talking about the talent on the 2012 fins offense and winning 7 vs Matt Ryan with similar talent on the 2013 Falcons probably not winning that many.


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[njFinsForever]

Right now Tannehill is not a better QB than Ryan, to address the original post. I agree with the consensus sentiment that Matt Ryan has reached his ceiling. He will not all of a sudden get a stronger arm and become a clutch quarterback. RT is still developing and with his physical tools, has the ability to become a better QB than Ryan. We can already see him hit throws on out and dig routes that Ryan will never be able to hit on a consistent basis. RT just needs to improve on pocket presence and his deep ball(which isn't as awful as people make it out to be). Early in the season RT has shown the ability to lead clutch 4th quarter drives. I feel confident that he will progress if given a fair chance. I really hope this franchise does not give up on him if there are major changes to the coaching staff this offseason

 

[Al13]

Give me a call when Tannehill throws for 4,700 yards, 32 touchdowns and only 14 picks in a season; not to forget the 22 game winning drives in his first five years.
Matt Ryan is a stud. He's having difficulty adjusting without his #1 receiver and injury prone #2. Atlanta's oline is also a shamble, not quite as bad as ours, yet he's still got 18 touchdowns to 12 picks. If Atlanta had our defense I think they'd be significantly better than 2-8.

That being said, I like what Tannehill brings to the table and I think he is our guy. But you're putting down a top 5 QB based on his performance against the same Saints team that embarrassed the guy who you're praising.

who is supposed to be the injury prone #2 receiver ? because roddy white has never missed a game in his career before this season.....

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Mark was MUCH better than his #s and a huge reason why we won 11 games and nearly made a SB. Ryan 2013 is nowhere near Mark 2010. Not even debatable.

Ha, ha, ha, so typical. Bag on Tanny for his stats, then claim Butt Fumble Boy was somehow "better than his #s"..... Tannehill has better numbers on a team with the worst pass blocking I have ever seen. Having watched Sanchez fold under pass pressure many, many, many times, I am absolutely certain he would have imploded under these conditions just like he did last season.

Can you name another QB that you think is a top half of the league QB with a career 55% completion rate, only 3000 yds/year passing, 71.7 passer rating, more INTs than TDs, and average of 17 INTs per year, and an average of 10 fumbles per year.

Don't give me any crap about 4 road playoff victories. That is a TEAM accomplishment.

For the last time, if the Jets thought Sanchez was their QB, why draft Smith? Why put them in an open competition? Why did Ryan and team management want Smith to start? Why put Sanchez (your "starter") in the game late in a meaningless preseason game? Why, why, why? There is one simple answer to ALL of those questions. They knew Sanchez is not a quality NFL QB.

From an article in August:

"According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, though, head coach Rex Ryan and the Jets' brass agree that Smith should be the starter regardless of Sanchez's health.

Although Ryan has been a staunch supporter of Sanchez over the past few seasons, Mehta is reporting that he and general manager John Idzik are in agreement that the Smith era should begin immediately."

From the same article:

"Sanchez did help lead the Jets to two AFC Championship Games, but much of that had to do with New York's dominant defense. Their defensive prowess has declined, however, so the Jets need a quarterback who can win games.

It remains to be seen if Smith can be that guy, but it has become clear that Sanchez can't get the job done.

According to Pro Football Talk, even Jets offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg prefers Smith over Sanchez.

Sanchez has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself, but it seems as though the Jets are finally ready to move in a different direction. "


All of this is what I had been telling you since 2010. Sanchez would need to improve or he would not last. I told you so. Just admit it.

So it seems that the rest of the football world has moved on. It is kind of sad and disturbing that you seem unable to do so.

 

[Shouright]

Right now Tannehill is not a better QB than Ryan, to address the original post. I agree with the consensus sentiment that Matt Ryan has reached his ceiling. He will not all of a sudden get a stronger arm and become a clutch quarterback. RT is still developing and with his physical tools, has the ability to become a better QB than Ryan. We can already see him hit throws on out and dig routes that Ryan will never be able to hit on a consistent basis. RT just needs to improve on pocket presence and his deep ball(which isn't as awful as people make it out to be). Early in the season RT has shown the ability to lead clutch 4th quarter drives. I feel confident that he will progress if given a fair chance. I really hope this franchise does not give up on him if there are major changes to the coaching staff this offseason

As for Matt Ryan's "ceiling" you mentioned, right now his QB rating is the 11th-highest in the history of the game, which looks like a pretty good "ceiling" to me. Also, his clutch play during the regular season has been exemplary, and his most recent post-season play was very good as well. His post-season play early in his career was poor, but so was Peyton Manning's early in his career and beyond, yet he's arguably the best quarterback of all time.

This perception of Matt Ryan as somehow "lacking" is way off-base.

 

[Roman529]

I still remember all the pundits who said we should have drafted Matt Ryan instead of Jake Long. Ryan never wins big games, especially in the playoffs, despite having guys like Julio Jones, Roddy White, Douglas, etc. I know some of his receivers have been hurt this year, but I like Tanny way more than Matty Ice Cold.

 

[TannehillRules]

:lol2: this jetbag said Mark Sanchez:lol2::crazy:
Go back to the jet board where you're welcomed

I doubt hes welcome there lol If i was a jets fan and saw nyjunc praising mark sanchez id pissed and would want him banned.

 

[Vaark]

As for Matt Ryan's "ceiling" you mentioned, right now his QB rating is the 11th-highest in the history of the game, which looks like a pretty good "ceiling" to me. Also, his clutch play during the regular season has been exemplary, and his most recent post-season play was very good as well. His post-season play early in his career was poor, but so was Peyton Manning's early in his career and beyond, yet he's arguably the best quarterback of all time.

This perception of Matt Ryan as somehow "lacking" is way off-base.

At this point there's ample statistical evidence going right up through 2012 to indicate that Ryan is a good to very good regular season QB providing he has the better than average tools to work with, BUT not a very dependable post season QB especially as pressure mounts in the 3rd and 4th quarters no matter how large or even seemingly insurmountable lead he's helped build up in the first halves.