And if you restrict the analysis of Ryan in the post-season to just 2012, that evidence is what?
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1-4, including several total game and/or 2nd half offensive shut-outs, 24 total offensive points in 10 2nd half NFL quarters (worse if you count the ACC championship) and a total of 3 points in 5 4th quarters (6 if you count the ACC championship). If someone didn't know the name but saw the stats, it would be pretty compelling evidence.
Did you read what I said?
I've already acknowledged the other evidence:
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I think Matty is a really good QB, but I don't consider him elite.
And, as much as I lamented not drafting him, and still think it was the wrong move and wish things were otherwise, I also think that Tannehill has some upside and with Matty I think what you see is what you [got].
The falcons have had their struggles this year, which is really surprising. And part of that has to fall on the QB. I think they need a new offensive coordinator, for sure. But even still, I don't get the underperformance with their roster. They're underachieving.
Which roster is more impressive?
Matty Ice
Tony Gonzalez
Roddy White
Harry Douglas
Julio Jones (injured)
Steven Jackson/Rogers/Snelling
or
Ryan Tannehill
Brian Hartline
Mike Wallace
Charles Clay
Lamar Miller/Daniel Thomas
(and no fullback)
There's no question which roster you'd take. Especially given the fact that Matt Ryan is a better and more experienced QB this year and has been playing with good players the last few years, while we've been playing with mud on the O line of the ball, until Wallace got here. And since Wallace is brand spanking new and has no time to build a relationship with the QB, then again I'd bet against Miami, here. And yet, Atlanta has struggled mightily.
So...it certainly has me wondering, too.
And, as much as I lamented not drafting him, and still think it was the wrong move and wish things were otherwise, I also think that Tannehill has some upside and with Matty I think what you see is what you [got].
The falcons have had their struggles this year, which is really surprising. And part of that has to fall on the QB. I think they need a new offensive coordinator, for sure. But even still, I don't get the underperformance with their roster. They're underachieving.
Which roster is more impressive?
Matty Ice
Tony Gonzalez
Roddy White
Harry Douglas
Julio Jones (injured)
Steven Jackson/Rogers/Snelling
or
Ryan Tannehill
Brian Hartline
Mike Wallace
Charles Clay
Lamar Miller/Daniel Thomas
(and no fullback)
There's no question which roster you'd take. Especially given the fact that Matt Ryan is a better and more experienced QB this year and has been playing with good players the last few years, while we've been playing with mud on the O line of the ball, until Wallace got here. And since Wallace is brand spanking new and has no time to build a relationship with the QB, then again I'd bet against Miami, here. And yet, Atlanta has struggled mightily.
So...it certainly has me wondering, too.
I kind of wish the Falcons would spread out these losses over 2 or 3 seasons. Other than the delight and profit of betting against them, it would be more satisfying if Matt Ryan were failing with something on the line. This year it's like an excuse is attached.
Atlanta has been the most fortunate team in the league for several years. Their record has always been well above the most relevant stats. Somehow they twice managed home field edge in the NFC despite YPPA Differential near base zero. That should be impossible.
Matt Ryan is very limited physically and playing outdoors in a stadium with a weak home field advantage would have tilted toward the low end of his capability, instead of near the top, which he has enjoyed indoors in Atlanta. There's no doubt we would have been better over the past 5 years with Ryan but I'm thrilled we avoided him. When it all comes together I'd like to be capable of winning it all. With Matt Ryan you almost need a blanket forfeit in front of you.
Atlanta has been the most fortunate team in the league for several years. Their record has always been well above the most relevant stats. Somehow they twice managed home field edge in the NFC despite YPPA Differential near base zero. That should be impossible.
Matt Ryan is very limited physically and playing outdoors in a stadium with a weak home field advantage would have tilted toward the low end of his capability, instead of near the top, which he has enjoyed indoors in Atlanta. There's no doubt we would have been better over the past 5 years with Ryan but I'm thrilled we avoided him. When it all comes together I'd like to be capable of winning it all. With Matt Ryan you almost need a blanket forfeit in front of you.
Well in contrast to what many people believe here, which is that the rest of the roster explains the team's performance despite the fact that its quarterback play predicts its record almost precisely, in Atlanta we have the sort of situation where that explanation really does fit, where the QB play (Matt Ryan) would be associated with a much better record, yet the team is dragged down by the rest of its roster, most notably its defense, which is surrendering the league's worst opponents' QB rating (an astronomical 106.7), and is among the league's worst in its opponents' yards per pass attempt statistics.
Still doesn't explain his throwing up goose eggs and coming up short in second quarters including when he had the lead. What explains that is either he chokes under pressure and/or he's a different postseason QB when having to contend with better and more motivated Defenses. Even that win in game 1 vs Seattle and their rookie QB is stilted considering Atlanta was leading 20-0 at the half but losing 28-27 in the 4th quarter before all everything all the time TE TonyG bailed him out to set up a winning 30-27 FG which is the only points that Matty Ice has offensively put up in 4th quarters going back to his ACC "postseason"
Sorry but when disappearing over entire games, most always disappearing in 2nd halves including a total of 3 pts scored offensively in 4th qtrs going back to the VT championship game says more about Ryan, especially considering the above average tools he had to work with and through, and nothing about Atlanta's defense
Sorry but when disappearing over entire games, most always disappearing in 2nd halves including a total of 3 pts scored offensively in 4th qtrs going back to the VT championship game says more about Ryan, especially considering the above average tools he had to work with and through, and nothing about Atlanta's defense
Sounds like your mind is made up. :up:
Objective stats: whether it's total preseason results, 2nd half results and/or 4th qtr results, how can you argue with "scoreboard" cuz that's what it's all about when the smoke clears. :idk:
as to Atlanta's Defenses letting him down, here are his playoff years:
2012: allowed 18.7 pts, 5th best scoring defense (SD)
2011: allowed 21.9 18th best SD
2010 allowed 18.0 5th best SD
2008: allowed 20.3 11th best SD
Why do I keep bringing Melty up when on some threads he seems to be a non-sequitar? Because some of his own fluffers are the biggest critics of a QB coming in raw with 25 complete game (26 starts) yet hypocritically or at least disingenuously still find ways to rationalize away, blame others like his defense, or contend that things could turn around on when there are even more damning conclusive stats.... without being that open-minded about Tannehill. Basically, hopefully my going Rainman on postseason Melty now in his 6th pro season, becomes as irritating or at least as obvious as how most of us feel when it's about a raw QB still in a development mode with an unqualified position coach developing him and a moronic OC not understanding how to utilize his strengths.
I'd be interested to hear any objective case for how Atlanta's problems in the playoffs in 2012 were due to Matt Ryan rather than other parts of the team.
10 total points in 4 2nd half quarters? 3pts in 2 4th quarters? When you come up that short offensively, it puts a lot more pressure and fatigue on your defense :idk: Relinquishing 2 substantial half time leads through his inept offense despite the impressive receiving tools he had to work with? So that dispenses with that nonsense, but even if it didn't, a 1-1 postseason doesn't cancel out how terrible he was up til that point as based on total stats, it was an anomaly? .200 post season NFL record, .167 "post season" college and pro career record. You are what your score says you are. The fact that you can't see this speaks more to your biases - pro Ryan and anti-Tannehill and how you assort your stats accordingly despite maybe 50 posts disputing their validity that you arbitrarily ignored or dismissed.
Is that something that distinguishes Matt Ryan from quarterbacks who are considered to have performed much better in the playoffs, or is that the sort of normal variation we see in scoring across the league in the playoffs, independent of quarterback quality or ability during that part of the season?
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this thread is great,lolWas he?
This is absurd, and would only make sense if the post is intended as satire.