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Teammates Bullied Martin

The last thing we need is another distraction. I feel bad for the kid. If it was really that bad, it isn't fair. There is hazing all over the place, but usually that ends after a rookie season. My guess is that they saw that it got a rise out of him, so they escalated it to bust his chops. Who knows (yet) if he voiced his dislike for it, or if he even had conversations with the coaches. It would certainly explain his play this season, which is a shame, because I think he is a good player. There will be some changes made this offseason. If that wasn't evident before, you can bet the house on it now. I just hope the guys who tormented him aren't guys we REALLY rely on that much.
 
Look at me look at me. HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME. That is all that ever comes out of your mouth. In my prison...In my line of work...When I was in the army...When I was a security guard for some important people...Incidental action...My guys...blah blah blah. Ok you are the toughest guy on the planet and as cool as John Wayne. But you are no psychologist and the last person on earth given that should be giving perspective on bullying. Because you yourself are one.

Regards, Erik
Stop bullying people.
 
My guess is that he didn't just "snap". This obviously was something that was building/cumulative. I'm certainly far being a shrink, but my guess is that the guy does have some sort of 'chemical imbalance', and this combined with all of the pressure and criticism that he's been facing due to his 'less than optimal' performance on the field led to the event. This incident in the cafeteria was simply the trigger.
 
I thought it was really strange when they gave him that nickname last year.

Normally football is a sport where all different types of players get together and work as a team.

Different nationalities, different demographics, different classes.

The only thing I see different about him is that he was more intelligent than most players.

He was Luck's left tackle in college. What is it about him that the other guys could not accept?

Bullying & hazing are NORMAL, NATURAL parts of Social Life in nature.
 
I'm glad we have have an 8-0 record so that the locker room atmosphere can be relaxed to the point of bullying someone like it's godd@mn elementary school.
 
I thought it was really strange when they gave him that nickname last year.

Normally football is a sport where all different types of players get together and work as a team.

Different nationalities, different demographics, different classes.

The only thing I see different about him is that he was more intelligent than most players.

He was Luck's left tackle in college. What is it about him that the other guys could not accept?

Bullying & hazing are NORMAL, NATURAL parts of Social Life in nature.

Exactly, but I don't this type of behavior belongs in a professional environment where guys are getting paid millions to behave as such on and off the field and to win as a TEAM. I totally understand the rookie hazing as it has been an unwritten tradition in the NFL for decades, but constantly picking on a teammate until he goes into a depression has no place in pro sports. However weak Martin is, it's these guys jobs to make each other better for the sake of the team, not push each other over the edge. It's not their call to make who gets peered out and whatnot, it's the coaches and the gm's job to decide who belongs on the team or not.
 
The OL is not going to become a 'strength' without new personnel. The fact that they had Will Yeatman in there as a 3rd tackle about 1/5 of the time kinda says everything.
True. I was reaching... Post-game euphoria got the best of me!
 
I want to know where the coaches were in all this. Where the leaders on the team were in all this.

Martin has to stand up for himself. Nobody needs to be patrolling the playground to protect him from bullies. Let's get that clear. But what I don't understand is why there are guys wasting their energy they could be turning into better performance on the field with pathetic crap. If Martin's not able to take it like the average guy, the leaders on the team surely need to get the o-line to dial it down. Why? Because it's more important to the team that Martin is a functioning, contributing piece of the o-line than sitting at home, burning a pick, creating a hole after the trade deadline and costing the team his salary. The idea that it was more important that the guys be let "peer him out" than work with the situation is laughable. It isn't their call to make in the first place. Which brings me to the coaches.

Joe Philbin hates untied shoelaces. He likes picking up fluff. He chooses his words more carefully than brides choose wedding gowns. But apparently his need for harmony and order doesn't extend to making sure we don't lose a player at a key position with no depth over a stupid bit of clowning around from the team.

Just to reiterate, Jon Martin needed to be more of a man. Maybe nobody knew quite how badly he was taking the **** the guys were dishing. But if it went on for over a year, I doubt it went unnoticed and our o-line has more important things to be working on. Maybe ex-Drill Sgt. Turner thought it was all hilarious too.

Maybe if we're winning all this crap goes unnoticed. But there is a faint whiff of disarray around Davie that I am very surprised to be smelling, with guys of Philbin's and Sherman's and Coyle's background.

I totally agree that the coaches should get their fair share of the blame for allowing this to happen. It has either gone unnoticed for a year and a half(which I find hard to believe) or they decided to turn a blind eye and let the boys be boys. Whatever it was, the outcome doesn't speak well regarding their locker room management.

Anyway, seeing what happened to the leadership council this summer, I can't see Incognito returning to the team next year, as I'm sure he had something to do with this.
 
Peered out?

Yes. I'm suggesting there could be a valid reason.

ETA; If you hang out with wolves, you need to be a wolf, no matter if you are or not.
As Ive said previously, I can't believe it was only the teams I was on that peered guys
off the team that wouldn't, or couldn't put in the work, couldn't get along, etc.

It's not a nail salon. It's football. Hell, it's life.

Goon people arent going to understand. This country is getting softer and softer with each generation. It a feminized country we are living in these days. More and more kids are playing soccer. As George Carlin used to call it..... "the pussification of America". These liberals are something.
 
I don't think some people understand what it's like to be the odd man out. Having everyone around you laugh at you and put you down is not an easy thing to deal with. It makes you start to doubt yourself and then you start hating yourself for letting that doubt creep in. The guys took it too far. I think he is a bit of a softie and had other options, but to completely dismiss him is a very myopic thing to do.
 
Like others have said, this "getting rid of the weak link" stuff is understandable when it comes to the army and things like that, where there are huge risks and dangers involved, but I don't get how that translates to a sports team's locker room. I don't think that having to "peer out" Martin was the main thing this team needed right now. What do you think would have happened if they just accepted Martin?

I can't think of many major risks that come with playing a sport with a guy you don't necessarily like as a person. I don't think his character was an issue, and the fact that he didn't snap at his teammates after the crap they gave him proves that he had the calm needed not to become a liability for the team.

In fact, I consider not being able to be a professional towards your teammate and accept him as such a far bigger danger to the discipline and cohesiveness of the locker room than a guy getting fed up after a year and a half of childish jokes.

If this were a group of hard core commando dudes and thousands of lives were on the line, I'd get this eliminating the weak link crap, but in this case I think it's just stupid. JMO

You are correct. I played with guys that I KNEW was racist and did not like me. YET in that locker room we played as 1 and on that field we had each others back. IN FACT! I can recall being at a party in college and ended up getting into a little fight with a few guys and guess who jumped right in the mix....... The dude that was a clear racist. The point is WE accepted each other dispite our differences/race/belief/likes whatever. I would go to war with him and he would go to war with me Period!!!

I'm starting to believe this has a lot more to do with personal life / lifestyle that has entered the locker room. This could a little ugly before it goes away.
 
Here's an idea: wait til we have ALL of the info before we pass judgement on people.

I love how easily (behind a computer and the internet, nonetheless) people on here like to call a guy they've never met, after reading a story that doesn't provide all the info, a pu$$y
 
First of all, we don't know the extent of this so called bullying...it could have been things as simple as the lunchroom incident, or decorating his locker in Barbie stuff (had it done to me in college)....we think of bullying as constant harassment...calling him names, saying he's a punk, but it could be nothing more then simple pranks that Martin is blowing way out of proportion.

In the end it shows he's not cut out for the NFL...not mentally or Physically tough...

I'll bring up the Egnew situation again....the guy was called a pu$$y in public....he stayed with the team and did everything he could do in the off-season to change that image. That's how you handle things like this. Not walk out on your job.
 
We don't know the whole story. If Martin really was bullied, as it sounds like he may have been, its a shame. Those blaming Martin are pathetic. Martin might be different but to call him names and constantly make fun of him is classless. Its one thing to joke around with your friends but if you're playing cruel jokes on someone because you think he's weird then your like a 10 year old.
 
I don't know which is worse. Martin can't handle and walks out, or the goofing off during losing streak. I realize there will always be horseplay but damn
 
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