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Tebow on the Trade Block, Miami Dolphins a possibility

If he's cut he'll go through waivers, first off.

Otherwise, I think you're overestimating the value of that guaranteed contract. Six million isn't all that much, spread out as it is over several years. The Dolphins have carried Philip Merling's fairly equivalent contract for years and it hasn't gotten in the way doing anything. Besides, if you switch his position, you might convince him to restructure, especially after the first year.

The key, for me, is getting him to buy in. That's why I would have to make it clear to him (before the trade) that he would never, ever be a quarterback for me. And he would have to buy in. For all the fawning everyone does over Tebow's impeccable character I'm not sure he does the switch with any enthusiasm (especially at first), or really buys into the fact that his career as a quarterback is completely and totally over. I have some big reservations about that.

But I think he has the physical talent to be a natural conversion prospect, and that's worth something. And as for him getting turned into "scrambled eggs", I just disagree. He's no more likely to get turned into scrambled eggs than any other powerful runner, and he already showed the toughness to keep getting up playing in the SEC. It's not like being a quarterback where it's hard to play if your right arm hurts or you have some cobwebs upstairs. A FB or TE plays with that sort of stuff all the time. I would think the last thing you would have to worry about with Tebow is his toughness or physicality.

so put a value on it...off of what you know what round value would you put on his physical talent??? i would say as a conversion prospect best case you're talking 5th round here...best case...so why would i when you admittedly say he;s not an nfl qb prospect give a late round pick value guy $6.3 mil guaranteed in trade??? his value doesn't justify it...5th round picks are playing for probably somewhere in the $400-500 k range with little guarantees...you're gonna guarantee 10-12 times that???
 
You're really that concerned over $1 million a year for 4 years? Seriously? We are how many million under the cap? Tebow wouldn't even be a blip on the Jake Grove/Justin Smiley radar, dude.
 
so put a value on it...off of what you know what round value would you put on his physical talent??? i would say as a conversion prospect best case you're talking 5th round here...best case...so why would i when you admittedly say he;s not an nfl qb prospect give a late round pick value guy $6.3 mil guaranteed in trade??? his value doesn't justify it...5th round picks are playing for probably somewhere in the $400-500 k range with little guarantees...you're gonna guarantee 10-12 times that???

I think Philip Merling plus perhaps a sixth or seventh rounder is good value. We've already paid Merling's bonus this year (though it was only more than a million or so), so there's a bit of even/steven when it comes to having paid the two guys their bonuses.

As for the money thing, keep in mind that from the Broncos' perspective, they're also on the hook for that guaranteed money. They don't want to be paying it to their third or fourth string QB who's never going to play. But... their roster spots are already filled at TE and FB, and beyond that there's also the "Tebow thing" that might stop them from making the conversion. Meanwhile, thanks to a some injuries, they're thin on the defensive line.

The money is a downside, I agree with that. But other than money, I don't think you're giving up a lot in resources. Merling is on his way out the door anyway and he's one of the few defensive linemen who is going to be out there who is young and has starting experience. Any team who needs a defensive linemen is at least going to be interested, though the FH talk of getting a third or something like that for him is and always has been ridiculous.

They key -- other than Tebow himself being on board -- is Charles Clay. In theory he and Tebow share some of the same possibilities and attributes. But... Clay was also a sixth round pick, and not for nothing. If you're the Dolphins and you see real potential there, something legitimate to build on, then I think Tebow loses a lot of his value. I'm not sure the goal line prowess alone is worth it, especially when Polite has shown himself to be such a good short yardage player. But if Clay is like most sixth round picks -- meaning he's not very good -- then a guy like Tebow becomes a lot more interesting.

Conversion projects are always a shot in the dark. For every Antwaan Randle-el there's a bunch of Matt Jones'. Thanks to their natural physical ability and the arrogance of coaches and personnel people who think they can turn any athlete into a football player, they're always over valued and you always end up over paying. But... if I have to choose between giving up a relatively high pick (like the first rounder the Jags spent on Jones), or over paying, then I'm choosing the latter. The money doesn't have nearly the opportunity cost. If it doesn't work out, the guy has a high enough character and name recognition that someone is probably going to want to trade for him next year, too. I don't think we'll necessarily be on the hook for the whole $6 million no matter what.
 
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If Denver has already paid the 6 million . . . Tebow makes peanuts. Merling and a 6th would be ideal, considering we would lose Merling anyways after the season unless he signs for minimum, which I doubt.

Too many positives not to consider this deal. I mean seriously, what do the Fins have to pay him over the next 4 years? 2 million dollars? That ain't nothing.

You are getting a developmental QB as your 3rd stringer
A born leader on and off the field
A guy who can contribute immediately with the new QB rules allowing the 3rd stringer to play anytime
A Florida product which can't help but sell tickets and apparel.

Really, there is no losing in this trade if the trade value is correct . . . and forget it if he is cut, you aren't getting him off of waivers. He will be claimed before Miami has a shot. Similar to Reggie, if you want him, you will have to trade for him.
 
TEBOW is a Rookie--repeat A ROOKIE--QB going into his 2nd year. In year One, he had a c. 56% completion rate, more TDs than INTs, ran for good yardage and TDs just like he was expected to, and posted a 1-2 record on a "for-s**t" team. WHY are so many of you self-proclaimed geniuses saying that he can't be an NFL qb...even AS IS??? "Mechanics"? What are we doing here, trying to win football games, or paint posters for National Geographic or the Metropolitan Museum of Art or perhaps the cover of Sports Illustrated?

:chuckle:
 
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TEBOW is a Rookie QB going into his 2nd year. In year One, he had a c. 56% completion rate, more TDs than INTs, ran for good yardage and TDs just like he was expected to, and posted a 1-2 record on a "for-s**t" team. WHY are so many of you self-proclaimed geniuses saying that he can't be an NFL qb...AS IS??? "Mechanics"? What are we doing here, trying to win games or paint posters for National Geographic or the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

A lot of you people are opinionated idiots.

Irony, thy name is you.
 
It's kind of pathetic how I see some thinly and not so thinly veiled racist and anti-semitic comments on here go unchallenged or even unnoticed but in comparison, when it comes to anything negative about Tebow's beliefs, those same folks are now getting their bowels in an uproar. Personally, spiritually I'm a Deist and have little use for organized religion, but to each his own and I understand how some people are uplifted by their beliefs. However, when it comes to Tebow or anyone foisting their beliefs in an in-your-face way at me, my reflex reaction is **** him and his beliefs.. keep em out of professional sports. So the religious backlash against him IMO is understandable and somewhat justified.

It's easy to throw blanket statements out there. Let's lay the cards on the table. Where exactly are the racist and anti-semitic comments in this thread? Or anywhere else? Bump them, quote them. Don't just say they are there and leave it at that. All I see is the reverse, people slamming Tebow for his beliefs.

I don't even agree with Tebow and the abstinence, but comon, racism card?
 
TEBOW is a Rookie--repeat A ROOKIE--QB going into his 2nd year. In year One, he had a c. 56% completion rate, more TDs than INTs, ran for good yardage and TDs just like he was expected to, and posted a 1-2 record on a "for-s**t" team. WHY are so many of you self-proclaimed geniuses saying that he can't be an NFL qb...even AS IS??? "Mechanics"? What are we doing here, trying to win football games, or paint posters for National Geographic or the Metropolitan Museum of Art or perhaps the cover of Sports Illustrated?

A lot of you people are opinionated idiots. :chuckle:

you act like that's a good thing. 56% is pretty crappy
 
you act like that's a good thing. 56% is pretty crappy

Sure it is crappy. But he throws more TD'S then INT'S which is the exact opposite of Henne who compltetes more but throws more INT'S then TDS

I don't understand the notion of people not wanting him because he isn't QB. Last I checked, we didn't have a real startng QB as is, so why not?
 
Sure it is crappy. But he throws more TD'S then INT'S which is the exact opposite of Henne who compltetes more but throws more INT'S then TDS

I don't understand the notion of people not wanting him because he isn't QB. Last I checked, we didn't have a real startng QB as is, so why not?

hey, I'm not the one touting a 56% completion rate which would put him around 30th in the league.
and just for fun, I went back and found that in his first 3 starts Chad Henne had 3 TDs and 2 INTs with a 62% completion rate
 
also Tebow wasn't even that good, he went 41 for 82 in 2010, good for 50%
 
TEBOW is a Rookie--repeat A ROOKIE--QB going into his 2nd year. In year One, he had a c. 56% completion rate, more TDs than INTs, ran for good yardage and TDs just like he was expected to, and posted a 1-2 record on a "for-s**t" team. WHY are so many of you self-proclaimed geniuses saying that he can't be an NFL qb...even AS IS??? "Mechanics"? What are we doing here, trying to win football games, or paint posters for National Geographic or the Metropolitan Museum of Art or perhaps the cover of Sports Illustrated?

:chuckle:

Stats stats stats blah blah blah.

Put down your fantasy football nerd stuff and WATCH football. And don't watch THE FOOTBALL. Watch football.

This stuff isn't hard to see man. Tebow doesn't have it. Why is he the FOURTH string QB in Denver? Explain that away with your silly statistics.
 
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