This is clearly difficult for you, but try to keep up. The post about Brady's QB rating wasn't in response to Tannehill..... keep deflecting, it makes you look desperate or stupid.....
Tell me again how Tannehill is a bust.
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This is clearly difficult for you, but try to keep up. The post about Brady's QB rating wasn't in response to Tannehill..... keep deflecting, it makes you look desperate or stupid.....
You claimed a QB rating in the low to mid 80s isn't enough to get a team above .500. I showed it can be enough to both make it to the SB and win the SB.
Also, none of these stats are based on the play of one player. I will somehow drive that into your head......
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In order to shake the bust label he has to be more consistent.
He had a nice game against a terrible D. That's a good thing, I'm not even worried about his few blips. But he has to do this much more often than not and so far, that hasn't been the case.
He's getting a real gut check this coming week. Let's see if he can start to put a string together.
He had a nice game against a terrible D. That's a good thing, I'm not even worried about his few blips. But he has to do this much more often than not and so far, that hasn't been the case.
He's getting a real gut check this coming week. Let's see if he can start to put a string together.
I have not seen him labeled a bust anywhere outside this message board.
Here's what I said:
Note the bolded portions.
If you're going to have conversations with me here that aren't wrought with conflict, you're going to need to step up your reading comprehension and appreciation of nuance, because you might find that when you comprehend the more subtle details of my points, we're actually agreeing. :up:
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listen Thill is not a bust by any means...but he does have places he needs to improve...he HAS to hit Wallace on that deep ball...and that INT was a bad one...but yes after that he settled down did what he had to do and got us a win...and the D almost coughed it up again
Well, I'm not worried about looking stupid, and there's nothing going on here that would make one resort to "desperation" about anything, but once again, you're focusing on my behavior rather than the Miami Dolphins.
If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd suggest you'd look back to how it originated, with my point about how QB rating is a valid measure of QB play, in relation to what Tannehill is doing currently. You then took that to a point about Brady and how his QB rating suffered one year, and asked whether that was due to his performance or that of his supporting cast. I answered that we couldn't know for sure, and asked how that was related to Tannehill for you, trying to bring the discussion back to where it originated (Tannehill and the Dolphins). You then called that a "deflection," and now here we are.
I'm sorry, but I can't help you any more than I have. I'm trying to have a discussion about Tannehill and the Dolphins, and you won't cooperate. :)
And there it is folks...... When another QB has a down year, we can't know for sure why :unsure:..... when Tannehill performs similarly, somehow the "objective" data puts the onus all on him. Your initial attempt to explain away a drop in QB rating by Brady was age and deteriorating skills. When that argument is blown up, it becomes a mystery.... Could you be any more obvious?
I have been contending in all of our discussions about using statistics to rate Tannehill's play that the stats alone do not tell the whole story. You are committed to the stats unless they don't support your preconceived notions.
Of course you know all of this already and are feigning ignorance (at least I hope you're faking), in another desperate attempt to deflect. Why won't you just admit that football is a team game and treat the statistics the same way? If you the substituted "the offense" for "Tannehill" in nearly all of your criticisms, we probably wouldn't disagree on much.
I'm open to any objective arguments in support of the idea that Tannehill's performance this year is due more to other parts of the team than to his current ability.
Now, we've already gone 'round and 'round about this with regard to the offensive line, and we've disagreed, so I don't suspect this time around will be any different.
You see objective evidence that other parts of the team are responsible for his play, and I do not. I think we should probably just leave it there and call it a day. :up:
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The Hartline play at the end of the game. As discussed in another thread. Looked to me that Tannehill was being very cautious but also Hartline ran his pattern deeper than Ryan expected. He ran it two yards past the first down instead of at the first down marker. This in a timing throw is a big difference. Did he miss it? Yes. Was it totally on him? none of us would know unless we knew have deep that pattern was suppose to go. This kid isn't elite, yet. Please compare him to RG3 who is struggling or Luck who just had a 3 ints game. They are all young QBs, great games and bad games. It happens even with Brees, Brady and Manning. The difference with the old guys is their bad games become less frequent. This kid has the skill to be very good. I think he has made great strides that maybe the stats don't show. I k now some will start throwing them out. But too see him make the right reads on most throws is huge. Clay's play was the first time this year I've seen a WR/TE/RB make a play with their ability, okay 2nd, Wallace's TD for Tannehill. He is asked to move down the field and make the right read 8-12 times before we get into the endzone. I'd love to see where we stand in broken tackles as an offense. I imagine it brutal. Matthews getting more PT I think will help this stat and if Thomas keeps running like he did yesterday. Alsowhere we stand in YAC. I imagine that is low as well. Which would directly hurt Ryan's Yards per play avg.
If only this were true, the discussions would have ended long ago.
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If your open and your PFF suscription is still good. Look up how many broken tackles we have as a team, lookup YAC. Where do we stand versus the rest of the league? Then do a comparison of QBs with high QB ratings and their teams having high broken tackles and yac. It not totally on the QB. If he makes the throw of 6 yards and a player never break a tackle or gets YAC, this will have a huge effect on his QB rating. The one play by Clay added what to Ryan's QB rating on Sunday? SOme of this is a function of the offense we play were its lots of digs and comeback which are hard to get yac with tight coverage. Again before you jump on me, Ryan needs to shwo more but his playmakers do also. Ryan needs to hit Wallace on that go pattern without a doubt and that is on him. Our offense and OC need to create better matchups and run plays that help create YAC opportunities. But I imagine team with low broken tackles and yac also have QBs that do not have high QB ratings.
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Worse than a bust, because we will waste at least four to five years before we realize that he is not the guy that we had hoped he would be.
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