Tell me again how Tannehill is a bust.

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

Because, seriously, it amuses the #### out of me.

Tell me again about how you find new ways for him to be a failure with your selective stats or unclassifiable intangibles.

Tell me again about how "Great QBs find a way to win." Because that's what just happened. You sit back on your laurels when the defense collapses and point at things like that. Now that the D stood up, you'll probably say "If it wasn't for a miraculous play by our D, Tannehill would be a loser again."

Tell me. Tell me about stats that actually compare favorably to Manning and Brees.

Tell me about seconds before sacks happen, which is pretty much the same as turning loose one tiger on a piece of raw meat, and turning four tigers loose on a piece of raw meat, comparing them equally, then throwing up your hands and saying "HEY, THE STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!"

Tell me again how Tannehill is the next Chad Henne, when Helen Keller herself would show up, perceive the two to the best of her ability, then look at you incredulously and say, "What, are you ####### stupid?"

Tell me, regardless of what happens for the rest of this season, that this kid isn't worth the investment of letting him grow into the position. Because there hasn't ever been a situation quite like his.

Because after today, if you can SERIOUSLY do that, then just go ahead and say "I don't like Tannehill, no matter what." At least be ####### honest. Because if you don't, you're insulting our intelligence.

****em, haters gona hate..

 

[ProStyle]

If Clay does not turn that short pass into a long TD, we are having another bad offensive day, in spite of good line play and Chargers sucking as usual. As it is, it looks better than it is. Kudos to Clay.
Defense did great. Except for the Interception drive, they held charger to 0 TDs.

Based on the number of passes they ask him to throw, which is around 40, the best thing about Tannehill is that he does not turn the ball over nearly as much as he should. On the other hand, he does not score nearly as much as he should either.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I think if you look here:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

...you'll find what you consider to be a valid measure of a quarterback's ability, given how strongly the list correlates with the consensus perceptions of the ability of the QBs on it.

Those are career stats. You have been trying to evaluate Tannehill using a few games from his 2nd season behind a crappy line. That is the problem with your "stats" approach. You are using way too small of a sample size to come to any conclusions based on stats alone.

Brady is 4th on that list. His rating this year is the lowest of his career. It is 13 points below his average and barely higher than Tannehill's. Are we to assume that Brady is now an average QB? Maybe he should be benched. He is no better that Tannehill? Or, maybe, just maybe, HIS PLAY IS AFFECTED BY THE REST OF THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, just wow.

 

[Shouright]

If Clay does not turn that short pass into a long TD, we are having another bad offensive day, in spite of good line play and Chargers sucking as usual. As it is, it looks better than it is. Kudos to Clay.
Defense did great. Except for the Interception drive, they held charger to 0 TDs.

Based on the number of passes they ask him to throw, which is around 40, the best thing about Tannehill is that he does not turn the ball over nearly as much as he should. On the other hand, he does not score nearly as much as he should either.

I think you're better off there looking at the number of yards he accumulates per pass attempt, rather than points, since points can be confounded more than YPA by things unrelated to the quarterback.

So I agree that Tannehill plays "safe" despite his relatively high number of attempts, which results in a lower number of interceptions than would be expected, and which helps the team, but that conservative style of play hurts him (and the team) more with regard to YPA than it does to points (i.e., TD passes) in my opinion.

 

[Shouright]

Those are career stats. You have been trying to evaluate Tannehill using a few games from his 2nd season behind a crappy line. That is the problem with your "stats" approach. You are using way too small of a sample size to come to any conclusions based on stats alone.

Not really, because the only conclusion I'm coming to is that his current play is not sufficient for his team to win at a high level in the league.

Now on the other hand, if his QB rating were the same as Russell Wilson's, I'd be using the same sample size, yet my conclusion would be that he's playing far and away well enough for his team to win at a high level.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Not really, because the only conclusion I'm coming to is that his current play is not sufficient for his team to win at a high level in the league.

Now on the other hand, if his QB rating were the same as Russell Wilson's, I'd be using the same sample size, yet my conclusion would be that he's playing far and away well enough for his team to win at a high level.

So you're saying Brady is now an average QB.... :crazy:

 

[PALMA]

Defense has been great all year, only getting 30 scored on once this season - the Saints at home in prime time, a gimme.

Amazing considering our offense can barely get over 20 in a game, and the lack of running game. I guess Tannehill's low YPA with high completion percentage would explain some of it.

Something is missing with Tannehill, like a Bledsoe. But not nearly as prolific a passer. I fear it won't be hard for the Jets or Bills or Pats to stumble on a Qb that's better than him the in long run. I'm tired of being second fiddle before the season even starts.

 

[Shouright]

So you're saying Brady is now an average QB.... :crazy:

Is it impossible that his advancing age has diminished his ability to about the average level?

 

[The Goat]

Yes, just like how the D gave us plenty of chances earlier this year, but Tanny failed. Best example was last week against the Bucs. You are a troll and should understand football a bit more before you post.

You are a staggeringly awful judge of character, talent, and football acumen, and I'll just let your WPA speak for itself.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Is it impossible that his advancing age has diminished his ability to about the average level?

He had a another season with a rating in the low to mid 80s earlier in his career as well. In fact, his rating varied by 30 points between 2006 and 2007. In 2006 his top two WRs were Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown who combined for 1114 yards and 104 catches. In 2007 they added Randy Moss and Wes Welker. They combined for 210 catches and more than 2600 yards.

Did Brady improve that much between 2006 and 2007 or did the team improve?

 

[WVDolphan]

How about we wait till he can string together some good games before you crown him elite. He usually has one good game, then one bad game so lets wait dude.

He didnt even have a good game. He had a ho hum game vs. one of the worst pass defenses in the league. We scored a whopping 20 points.

He made a few good plays today. Give him credit for that. He also made some very bad plays. Add it all up he played decent. Unfortunately for us, thats a good game for him. His fans love it though.

 

[ProStyle]

I think you're better off there looking at the number of yards he accumulates per pass attempt, rather than points, since points can be confounded more than YPA by things unrelated to the quarterback.

So I agree that Tannehill plays "safe" despite his relatively high number of attempts, which results in a lower number of interceptions than would be expected, and which helps the team, but that conservative style of play hurts him (and the team) more with regard to YPA than it does to points (i.e., TD passes) in my opinion.

OK, yards help.

Today, he did well sustaining more drives even if they did not result in scores. That helped keep the Chargers in long distance situations, which helped the D keep the Chargers not scoring TDs..
More often than not this year, that has not been the case. Today, running game, and Oline, and playcalling has helped that. Yards turned the field in our favor.

However, if Clay does not score, yards per attempt do not win the game. The team has to score more, and a big part of that is Tannehill since he gets a lot of attempts.

 

[finfan54]

You know who is avg.? Andy Dalton.

Ryan Tannehill 2
Andy Dalton 0

 

[mrbunglez]

He didnt even have a good game. He had a ho hum game vs. one of the worst pass defenses in the league. We scored a whopping 20 points.

He made a few good plays today. Give him credit for that. He also made some very bad plays. Add it all up he played decent. Unfortunately for us, thats a good game for him. His fans love it though.

You mean like how you were all over his jock when he talked to the media about the Martin and Incognito situation. Hell I think you even called him a leader.

 

[Shouright]

He had a another season with a rating in the low to mid 80s earlier in his career as well. In fact, his rating varied by 30 points between 2006 and 2007. In 2006 his top two WRs were Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown who combined for 1114 yards and 104 catches. In 2007 they added Randy Moss and Wes Welker. They combined for 210 catches and more than 2600 yards.

Did Brady improve that much between 2006 and 2007 or did the team improve?

I don't think we can know for sure. How does this relate to Tannehill for you?

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OK, yards help.

Today, he did well sustaining more drives even if they did not result in scores. That helped keep the Chargers in long distance situations, which helped the D keep the Chargers not scoring TDs..
More often than not this year, that has not been the case. Today, running game, and Oline, and playcalling has helped that. Yards turned the field in our favor.

However, if Clay does not score, yards per attempt do not win the game. The team has to score more, and a big part of that is Tannehill since he gets a lot of attempts.

He did quite well today in terms of YPA, with 7.7.