The Bennehill Show Part 2: Smoke And Mirrors

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  1. skillkills

    skillkills Member

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    Since the end of the 2016 season, due to his 8 game stretch with a plus 100 rating average , we were led to believe Tannehill had finally arrived. After reaching mythical status, our doubts had to be cast aside, belief in him unquestioned, contingency plans dismissed and so on. Only the offensive line had to be fixed for him to go hit the ground running after injury to once again regain his spot.

    Below is a list of QBs since 2016 who had achieved a 100 plus rating during an 8 game stretch. What I hope this list provides is a better context as to where he belongs.


    Rating YPG TD:INT YR
    Ryan 119.9 331 21:4 2016
    Smith 115.4 272 16:0 2017
    Brady 112.8 318 19:2 2017
    Rodgers 112.9 299 20:2 2016
    Prescott 111.4 232 14:2 2016
    Wentz 110.6 230 23:3 2017
    Goff 109.4 261 19:3 2017
    Cousins 106.4 297 15:4 2017
    Rivers 105.4 281 14:2 2017
    Brees 105 277 13:4 2017
    Stafford 105 279 15:6 2017
    Keenum 104.8 254 16:5 2017
    Dalton 103.2 220 16:4 2017
    Roethlisberger 102 313 19:6 2017
    Mariota 101.7 228 14:3 2016
    Winston 101.7 259 15:4 2016
    Carr 100.9 290 17:3 2016
    Luck 100.5 274 17:6 2016
    Wilson 100.2 306 20:7 2017
    Tannehill 100.1 215 13:5 2016


    Conclusion:
    • Tannehill is the 20th most elitest QB in the NFL.
    • Lowest YPG on the list which tells me the offense had a hard time moving.
    • Not included is Newton who's a different type of QB, Watson (103 rating but in only 7 games before injury), Garropolo, and Mayfield who could both reach the mark very easily. Rosen was polished coming out so he could be another to reach the mark soon while it may take Darnold and Allen a couple more years because of their propensity to throw picks.
    • Whereas it took Tannehill 5 years to reach the mark, in 2011, in his first year as a Dolphin, Matt Moore had a 103.7 rating, 207 YPG, and a 14:3 ratio in an 8 game stretch. Even more impressive is he could've done more. There were times in that season with Moore as QB that they stopped trying to score as the lead was too great. There were also times where Moore was responsible more touchdowns but they didn't show up in the stat sheet and that had to do with a balanced attack in the redzone which is in contrast to the current team's plan of attack in the redzone that puts the ball in Tannehill's hands the majority of the time, thus inflating his numbers.
    As an aside, I became a fan in 96 or 97 during Marino's twilight and I never saw the offense move like it did with Moore at the helm. He led the most explosive offense the team has had since I've been a fan. (I also checked Marino's numbers and they weren't good.) I'm not advocating for his return as he can no longer take a beating beyond 2 games. Just saying all this to provide a better perspective of where Tannehill is, that even at his best there are many who are clearly better.
     
  2. Dolphins81

    Dolphins81 Don’t care about your feelings Finheaven VIP

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    So, Tanny is in the bottom 1/3 even during his best run. It’s time to move on. 7th season and we are still questioning if he gets it. Tanny is never going to be a QB that carries a team. He needs the team to carry him.
     
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    Agree 99.9% we have to find a replacement for RT if we ever want to get better. 8 or 9 win seasons get us nowhere. Just more angry fans and people jumping ship.
     
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    Should have been drafting a QB for the past 3 yrs to push him and if needed replacing him. How are QB guru coach couldn’t see this is just mind boggling.
     
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    Wait, how is what you posted supposed to make your point? It makes just the opposite. During that stretch, he outperformed Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, etc. That is a great stretch. Of the other non-elite QB’s on the same list, which is not a starter still today? Answer=Zero. Every one of those players has retained a starting job since, and rightfully so.

    If your argument is that Matt Moore is superior, I think you are delusional. Moore may be exciting to watch at times, but in the end, he is careless with the football when it matters the most. You need only review the wildcard playoff appearance in 2016 for proof.
     
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    Miami would rather draft wannabe pass rushers to groom.
     
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    No his point is if you take an 8 game stretch to pedestal QBs, he falls into line at the average/below average mark.

    He may have outperformed those guys during HIS stretch, but HIS stretch versus THEIR stretch still leaves him coming up short.

    Just want to clarify what I think the point is and numbers show.
     
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    This! People like to cherry pick information. They really don’t like an apples to apples comparison.
     
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    So what new information is here? There were 8 QB’s who had 8 game winning streaks the same year. Of those QB’s that season, he was last on the list statistically. So what does that mean? Of the QB’s being the most productive for their team and guiding them to 8 straight wins, he was in 8th place? If I remember correctly, didn’t RT get hurt during this streak? What if he won two more games? What if he won the wildcard game? Of the QB’s on the list, how many ended their streak due to injury?

    These stats are meaningless without full context of each QB, competition level and what ended the streaks.
     
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    I disagree. Take the numbers with a grain of salt but they aren't meaningless. I'm not sure if you want to argue about Tannehill or the figures the OP produced but I'm not particularly interested in doing either. You can re-read my post or the OP if you're still not getting the point, which is tangible.

    If Tannehill had not gotten injured and won the Wildcard game this thread probably wouldn't exist, but he didn't. Ifs are fun though.
     
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    That’s my whole point. It’s a bunch of ifs. If RT had Matt Ryan’s numbers over that stretch, we would have won better? What more do you need from your QB than long stretches of wins? For these numbers to have any relevance, how about adding number of attempts, number of runs, down and distance, was the team trailing or leading, how many QB pressures were there, etc? Without context, the numbers put RT as the eight best win streak quarterback in 2016, a number any NFL fan would be happy with. Dolphins fans are not happy, though, because Tannehill didn’t put up Mat Ryan’s numbers over that stretch. BTW, how did Ryan look in the second half of that SB, again? Of course, why get in depth and create a full picture of what happened over those streaks when we can take the absolute bare minimum of data and use it to discredit a QB over 8 consecutive wins. It’s absolutely pathetic.

    I wonder if Ravens fans complained as much about the SB win they had with Dilfer?
     
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    BobDole Suck it Trebek Finheaven VIP

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    You impressively missed the point then brought it home with that windmill jam of a last sentence. Well done.
     
  13. volk

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    Ok, let’s get real with it. Would you have traded some of Marino’s legendary stats for multiple super bowl wins?
     
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    Getting real with it would be saying his 'legendary' 8 game stretch where the light finally came on wasn't so amazing when doing an apples to apples comparison.

    Of course I'd trade his stats for hardware but we both know that's beside the point.
     
  15. skillkills

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    It's simple, bud. You're confusing what is otherwise a straightforward argument.

    I'm giving out free sandwiches to everybody and you're demanding a full course meal for context?
     

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