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The Dion Jordan Selection May Have Sealed Ireland's Fate

I recalled reports Ross said something close to what the post described and I normally agree with you CK but I think you are wrong on this one. Unless you have some insider info that you have always been know to get that us "little guys" aren't privy to.

Owner Stephen Ross agreed, saying Jordan was a favorite of the coaching staff in discussions before the draft.

"Everybody thought, 'Hey, we'll never get him,'" Ross said. "When the Raiders called back, I think everybody in the room was shocked. It's a great move. This is an impact player."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/dolphins-trade-dion-jordan-raiders-draft_n_3159140.html

The idea was born when Ross asked his football guys which players they wanted most, regardless of position. Jordan’s name kept coming up. Ireland made a call while the Raiders were on the clock, was rebuffed, but the Raiders called back later and asked for the one and two.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ldnt-believe-jordan-trade-as-cheap-as-it-was/
 
The question Ross asked the football people (which includes especially Jeff Ireland, by the way) happened the night before the draft at dinner. Steve Ross was curious if they had no constraints, who would be the guy they'd all want. A lot of them agreed Dion Jordan.

But Steve Ross went ON RECORD saying he was shocked that Jeff Ireland managed to execute the trade. So was Jeff Ireland. He phoned up the Raiders as a shot in the dark and low balled them with an offer of Davone Bess and some late round considerations to move up, figuring he'd never hear back. They called back and said we'll do it for your 2nd rounder.

How we go from "the idea was born" to an assumption of an order by Steve Ross is beyond me. They were shooting the sh-t about the Draft the night before it. That turns into an order by Steve Ross to go get Dion Jordan? BS.
 
Kdawg954 said:
Yep, I think the entire staff is tied to Ryan Tannehill at this point. Dion Jordan could put up 10+ sacks this season . . . if this team is sub .500 again and Ryan Tannehill shows limited improvement, that is all that is going to matter.
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Conversely if Dion never plays a snap for the Phins but Tannehill explodes and we make the playoffs Ireland is safe as well. The Jordan pick in and of itself seals nothing for Ireland. Whether the Dolphins as a whole improve or not determines Jeff's fate.
 
ckparrothead said:
He never said that.
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He did ask Ireland to try and get Dion Jordan after hearing that the coaches wanted him. He stated it in his post draft interview. Ireland said he would try to move up for him, and he did. You act like this was Ireland's risk, but in your usually **** spinning agenda to make Ireland look like a fool, you fail to realize this was the consensus pick by Ireland, Ross, and the coaching staff. Everyone wanted this pick. Success or failure, this is on Ross, Ireland, and the coaching staff.

And the "shocked" word you used was when Ross found out that Oakland ONLY wanted a 2nd rounder to move up to the 3rd pick overall. Moving up that far for so little is unheard of. They weren't shocked that they picked Jordan, they were shocked that it was so cheap.
 
It doesn't really matter who asked who to get Dion Jordan. Guy is a legit top 10 talent and he is worth the risk.

Crying before the season even starts and putting up what ifs is just too ridiculous.
 
Zounds said:
He did ask Ireland to try and get Dion Jordan after hearing that the coaches wanted him. He stated it in his post draft interview. Ireland said he would try to move up for him, and he did. You act like this was Ireland's risk, but in your usually **** spinning agenda to make Ireland look like a fool, you fail to realize this was the consensus pick by Ireland, Ross, and the coaching staff. Everyone wanted this pick. Success or failure, this is on Ross, Ireland, and the coaching staff.

And the "shocked" word you used was when Ross found out that Oakland ONLY wanted a 2nd rounder to move up to the 3rd pick overall. Moving up that far for so little is unheard of. They weren't shocked that they picked Jordan, they were shocked that it was so cheap.
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Note: The above statement is completely unsupported by evidence. Even wikipedia would reject it.
 
ckparrothead said:
Note: The above statement is completely unsupported by evidence. Even wikipedia would reject it.
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really? so maybe we just have a different memory than reality, because I recall something about ross giving Ireland the green light to get Jordan if he could. Something along the lines of ... if you can get him, get him.

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and I'd never site Wikipedia as a source of my research.
 
I already detailed exactly what happened.

They had dinner the night before the draft and Steve Ross asked the football guys who they'd want regardless of where they drafted. The next day Jeff Ireland took a "who knows?" stab and called Oakland and offered them a very low ball offer, on the chance that they might be desperate to move down for whatever reason. Oakland rejected it. The clock wound all the way down to about 2 minutes before the pick needed to be in, which is the bare minimum time needed to file one of these trades and get the pick in on time. The Raiders called and said we'll do it for the 42nd pick. The Dolphins didn't know they were going to call back, didn't think they were going to call back. When they did get called back, they accepted.

That's what happened. That's what they have STATED happened. If you'd like to go off vague and misremembered quotes, that's fine. You have every right to be wrong.
 
phinking said:
Jeff Ireland brought everybody in the building to the Scouting Combines this year because he knew how important this Draft was. As we all know, the Dolphins owned the 12th overall pick. The Dolphins also had 2 picks in the second round. He traded up to get Dion Jordan who had and still has a bad shoulder, giving up a high 2nd round pick in the process. At this point none of this years Draft picks will make an impact on this team with the exception of K-Celeb Sturgis. If the Miami Dolphins finish with a record any worse than 10-6, please make a case as to why he should get a new contract.
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sometimes I wish we had an age limit on this forum .that way anyone younger than 7 could not post this kind of B.S.just my 2 cents though
 
ckparrothead said:
I already detailed exactly what happened.

They had dinner the night before the draft and Steve Ross asked the football guys who they'd want regardless of where they drafted. The next day Jeff Ireland took a "who knows?" stab and called Oakland and offered them a very low ball offer, on the chance that they might be desperate to move down for whatever reason. Oakland rejected it. The clock wound all the way down to about 2 minutes before the pick needed to be in, which is the bare minimum time needed to file one of these trades and get the pick in on time. The Raiders called and said we'll do it for the 42nd pick. The Dolphins didn't know they were going to call back, didn't think they were going to call back. When they did get called back, they accepted.

That's what happened. That's what they have STATED happened. If you'd like to go off vague and misremembered quotes, that's fine. You have every right to be wrong.
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this is correct...i do believe though that on the initial call that ireland offered #56 and the raiders said no...then the oak raiders called back late in the clock and said they'll take pick #42...and it was done
 
hooshoops said:
this is correct...i do believe though that on the initial call that ireland offered #56 and the raiders said no...then the oak raiders called back late in the clock and said they'll take pick #42...and it was done
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Yea but nobody is debating how it went down. What we are talking about is if it was Ireland's call, or if Ross asked him to go for it based on the coaches consensus before the draft. We aren't talking about what happened during the draft, although CK clearly wants to change the point to that.
 
Zounds said:
Yea but nobody is debating how it went down. What we are talking about is if it was Ireland's call, or if Ross asked him to go for it based on the coaches consensus before the draft. We aren't talking about what happened during the draft, although CK clearly wants to change the point to that.
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i wanna say they discussed it with ross as in could they go get any player they wanted if they could make it happen and he gave em the green light to do it...and they traded up for the top guy on the board period if i recall once the price was so cheap...i know ross green lighted it or gave his blessing on it...
 
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