Rick Cartman
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I never said it was solely the GM's pick, i'm just not understanding what you're trying to say when you said we're assuming this was Irelands pick
The Dion Jordan Selection May Have Sealed Ireland's Fate
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I never said it was solely the GM's pick, i'm just not understanding what you're trying to say when you said we're assuming this was Irelands pick
hoops
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dion jordan is wearing a shoulder harness...yep i'm officially worried now
Yes you did. You said "I think it's a fair assumption to make that the guy taken was the GM's pick". You didn't say it was the coaches, owners, and GM's pick - you said only the GM.
What I was trying to say is that posters were assuming this was Ireland's pick. Whats not to understand about that? There's no hidden meaning, and I wasn't speaking in riddle. I simply pointed out that it wasn't just Jeff Ireland in on this pick. This was also the owner's and coaches' pick.
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Essentially, we traded Vontae Davis and Tyler Eifert for Jordan, actually its worse than that because we could have used Davis all last season.
I take it you're assuming Ireland would have taken Tyler Eifert with the #12 overall pick when Ireland has never selected a TE higher than the 4th round of the draft...which is incidentally where it was reported they were going to take Jimmy Graham in the 2010 draft. Bad assumption on your part.
hoops
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reports were it was austin and eifert if we had stayed at #12...as the targets
I don't know if this really bothers me. I dislocated my shoulder playing baseball one spring and used a harness the following fall in football just for precautionary measures. It was basically only worn to limit over extension of the shoulder even though it was about 95% healed. To tell you the truth I couldn't even tell I was wearing it. I'm guessing that's what Ireland was discussing with the trainers asking them "are you sure this harness is going to work in limiting over extension and not cause further damage if he practices?"
Dion pushed himself too hard -> he wants to compete to prove his worth -> but come on could Jeff put him on the disabled list off the start? Ireland's butt is on the hot seat -> now I shut down Dion before MORE GOES WRONG and Ireland can hope the team competes Everybdy gonnna second guess the pick this year anyways. The shoulder is not something you mess with, it takes times time to build up strength let alone with 300lb goonies draping over it. If I am a OT I am going after the shoulder
Rookie seasons are serious business.
Over the last 5 years, i believe only 3 players have hit double digit sacks their rookie season: Brian Orakpo, Von Miller, Aldon Smith. So mostly special players. Think Houston regrets drafting JJ Watt just because he "struggled" as a rookie? How about the Rams and Robert Quinn? How about other positions, Patrick Peterson struggled at corner as a rookie, should the Cardinals have passed on him with the 5th overall pick?
If Ireland is shown the door next offseason, its because he didnt do his job correctly in previous years and we were forced to start rookies right away to try and cover for the lack of talent on this roster.
With all due respect Ireland's draft and off season moves have not proven to be successful yet. I also think you would pretty much be looking for a 3rd overall selection you trade up for, to have an impact early. I'll wait and see what happens, but things look a little further behind than I would have hoped at mid camp.
Rick Cartman
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By saying that was the GM's pick doesn't mean it excludes the scouts, coaches, and owners. The statement isn't the exclusion of the others. All i'm trying to say is Jeff Ireland, the General Manager of the Miami Dolphins, was on board with the pick and that's a fair assumption to make. He is liable for the pick whether the coaches and owner had input or not. It's way too early to make a determination on Jordan anyways so there is no need to do damage control for Ireland at this point.
Per Roto source Herald
Dion Jordan - DL - Dolphins Sources tell the Miami Herald that the Dolphins are concerned first-round DE/OLB Dion Jordan (shoulder) won't be ready for Week 1.
Jordan originally sustained his shoulder injury while at Oregon and then underwent surgery in February. His rehab is not going according to plan as he's suffered a few setbacks. He's missed multiple weeks of practice, a bad thing for a tremendously talented yet raw rookie battling for backup snaps. An early-season impact from the surprise No. 3 overall pick appears highly unlikely
Dion Jordan - DL - Dolphins Sources tell the Miami Herald that the Dolphins are concerned first-round DE/OLB Dion Jordan (shoulder) won't be ready for Week 1.
Jordan originally sustained his shoulder injury while at Oregon and then underwent surgery in February. His rehab is not going according to plan as he's suffered a few setbacks. He's missed multiple weeks of practice, a bad thing for a tremendously talented yet raw rookie battling for backup snaps. An early-season impact from the surprise No. 3 overall pick appears highly unlikely
I hate to say it, but the original point of this thread, made by the original poster, 'OP', is absolutely correct. You needed O-Line help and could've had Chance Warmack (as it's turned out that guard is our weakest link now). We could've actually traded down once the big 2 tackles were off the board and we didn't like Lane Johnson, or at least stayed in our slot and picked up an offensive lineman who's better than any of the problems we currently have at Right Guard. Ireland drafted a player that won't be a factor for the 2013 Dolphins.
He wrecked another season, pure and simple. I've been trying to be patient but the guys on the radio (WQAM) have been much less generous than I and what they're opining can't be refuted. Ireland is horrible and continues to be horrible. He continues to FAIL TO ADDRESS THE TEAM'S NEEDS AND WASTES DRAFT PICKS AND SALARY CAP MONEY WITH BUM FAs YEAR AFTER YEAR.
John Jerry is really the only player that can prove this wrong, and I sure hope he does, but he's freakin' LIMPING IN PRACTICE after missing weeks of camp already. Samuda CAN'T PLAY.
If the guy we drafted in the 3rd round last year, Vernon, winds up having a better career than our 3rd overall pick with a shoulder injury (when are injured shoulders ever right again? Never?) can storm Ross's mansion and put his head in a.....
He wrecked another season, pure and simple. I've been trying to be patient but the guys on the radio (WQAM) have been much less generous than I and what they're opining can't be refuted. Ireland is horrible and continues to be horrible. He continues to FAIL TO ADDRESS THE TEAM'S NEEDS AND WASTES DRAFT PICKS AND SALARY CAP MONEY WITH BUM FAs YEAR AFTER YEAR.
John Jerry is really the only player that can prove this wrong, and I sure hope he does, but he's freakin' LIMPING IN PRACTICE after missing weeks of camp already. Samuda CAN'T PLAY.
If the guy we drafted in the 3rd round last year, Vernon, winds up having a better career than our 3rd overall pick with a shoulder injury (when are injured shoulders ever right again? Never?) can storm Ross's mansion and put his head in a.....
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If you want to narrow down why Miami does not seem to progress and remains a middle of the road team, you only have to look at the drafting record of the last few years.
Vontae Davis/Sean Smith - billed as the CB duo for the next decade, both gone and they spent more picks on replacing them, plus FAs that don't work out either.
Ginn Jr/Clyde Gates - Deep threats! LOL, no. And now we have to break the bank signing Wallace to finally have some presence on the outside.
Clay/Egnew - TE seam threats desperately needed in today's NFL. Umm... Go get Keller in free agency. (Bad luck on that one)
The conga line of offensive linemen that have come through here is insane at this point, and what?
QBs drafted every few years and just can't find one worth a damn. Beck, P. White, Henne, now Tannehill... and let's not bring up the collosall **** up that was taking Culpepper over Brees. OMG, that still makes me want to vomit.
You just can't get ahead when you consistently make poor personnel decisions. We are always trying to recoop our losses in the draft with free agents and old vets and you can't build a lasting team that way, it has to come through the draft primarily. For that, you need a better GM, frankly. I don't think Ireland is that guy anymore. My 2 cents.
edit: I am not saying these were all of Irelands choices, but I'm sure there are more we can list that are and were just as bad. This problem obviously goes back several years. Until we have someone at the top that can evaluate talent correctly and pick guys that will stick, even if its just a couple per year, we will continue to be who we are.
Vontae Davis/Sean Smith - billed as the CB duo for the next decade, both gone and they spent more picks on replacing them, plus FAs that don't work out either.
Ginn Jr/Clyde Gates - Deep threats! LOL, no. And now we have to break the bank signing Wallace to finally have some presence on the outside.
Clay/Egnew - TE seam threats desperately needed in today's NFL. Umm... Go get Keller in free agency. (Bad luck on that one)
The conga line of offensive linemen that have come through here is insane at this point, and what?
QBs drafted every few years and just can't find one worth a damn. Beck, P. White, Henne, now Tannehill... and let's not bring up the collosall **** up that was taking Culpepper over Brees. OMG, that still makes me want to vomit.
You just can't get ahead when you consistently make poor personnel decisions. We are always trying to recoop our losses in the draft with free agents and old vets and you can't build a lasting team that way, it has to come through the draft primarily. For that, you need a better GM, frankly. I don't think Ireland is that guy anymore. My 2 cents.
edit: I am not saying these were all of Irelands choices, but I'm sure there are more we can list that are and were just as bad. This problem obviously goes back several years. Until we have someone at the top that can evaluate talent correctly and pick guys that will stick, even if its just a couple per year, we will continue to be who we are.
While I agree with this statement, its not what you said before. When we were discussing whether this was the GM's pick, or a consensus pick between the coaches, owner, and GM, you chimed in with "its safe to assume its the GM's pick". Maybe you weren't following the thread, or maybe you don't realize you can exclude people by not including them, either way this is not a pick that Ireland will be solely held accountable for.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not considering the size of this thread, but I don't necessarily think Jordan will be a bust or anything of that nature, but drafting him just seemed so unnecessary. The biggest question mark besides quarterback going into this season was the offensive line. Olivier Vernon has proven to be a very capable DE, so unless Ireland is looking down the road for an eventual replacement for Wake then drafting Jordan now made little sense. And, just as expected, Miami's biggest problem so far has been the offensive line so far.