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Actually, the Pats defense did know because of "film study".
Boo hoo! The stealers got cheated. Lets not forget they get the benefit of the doubt a lot of time. Their last 2 Lombardi trophies & 10/24/10.
The Genius that is Bill Belicheck and How the Dolphins should Learn from the Pats
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Actually, the Pats defense did know because of "film study".
Boo hoo! The stealers got cheated. Lets not forget they get the benefit of the doubt a lot of time. Their last 2 Lombardi trophies & 10/24/10.
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You should post more. Just saying.
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To discuss Bill Belicheck rationally on this board is like discussing evolution with a Pentacostal snake-handler in the hills of Kentucky. There are too many people who see the ghost of Shula's greatness in their nostalgic minds. Rubbish that bullcrap about Belichick being a product of cheating. B.S.. Belichick is arguably the greatest coach who has ever walked the sidelines. His tactical genius is unquestionable. He's created no system like Walsh or Brown, so his genius is underestimated, what he's done is play a great game of chess week in and week out against and endless array of opponents utilizing different players, strategies and tactics, and like Shula, he beat them. That comment Bum Phillips once made about Shula using his guys and beating yours, or your guys and beating his, exactly describes Belichick's genius, who in my opinion, surpasses even Shula.
Post-Spygate. He was a dropped Asante Samuel interception from coaching an undefeated season and winning a fourth Super Bowl. He was a dropped Wes Welker first-down from winning a fifth! Had they won either of those games his detractors would have to acknowledge the obvious, but because they didn't do two simple things in their grasp in those 2-games they came away a loser and people pretend Belichick just fell down a bloody hole! Ridiculous. He and Brady won Super Bowls with their best offensive players being Antawn Smith, Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens and Deion Branch! Neither Belichick or Brady have had the services of great offensive players in their primes with the exception of the oft-injured Gronk and the now departed Wes Welker. They got one Pro Bowl season out of an old Corey Dillon and 1 great and 2 very good years out of an older Randy Moss. Contrast that with what Montana or Aikman won with, or what Roethlisberger or Manning had at their disposable during Brady's peak!
Don Shula's last 11-years as a coach? Not one Super Bowl appearance with the greatest passer the NFL has ever known. His last 22-years as a coach not a single championship! 2-4 record in Super Bowls! And guys want to mock Bill Belichick for failing in Cleveland? The guy posted an 11-5 record at one point with the Browns and coached the greatest Browns' defense in that franchises storied history, a defense which allowed an historically low number of PPG. That 1994 Browns' defense gave up like the sixth lowest number of points in the 16-game schedule era up to that time, they've fallen down the list since then, but that was a staggering accomplishment when you consider the only guys you could identify out of that unit were old guys like Pepper Johnson and Carl Banks and All-Pros Eric Turner and Michael Dean Perry.
To say that Belichick's genius is a product of Tom Brady's talent is mindboggling in its stupidity. It's like saying Bill Walsh's creds as an OC and HC were a product of Ken Anderson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana and Steve Young, all of whom he coached at one time! Didn't Shula enjoy the talents of Unitas, Griese and Marino almost for the entirety of his coaching career? Shula had Marino and got to 3 AFC title games and 1 Super Bowl with him in an era when the AFC was pathetic. We got beat up in an AFC title game by Tony Eason! Belichick has been to 7 AFC title games and 5 Super Bowls with Brady in an era when the AFC has been the stronger conference. When you include Belichick's resume as a DC with the Giants, Pats and Jets his teams went to a staggering 11 conference championships, won 8 conference titles and won 5 Super Bowls! And Belichick's teams did this with quarterbacks like Jeff Hostetler, Phil Simms, Drew Bledsoe and a 35-year old Vinny Testaverde! All long before Brady came along. Not only is Belichick a genius. He's a genius that propped up another guy with the reputation for greatness, Parcells, and if you don't believe that compare the Parcells with Belichick when he was his DC with the Parcells without him, it's stark. With Belichick: 2 championships, 3 Super Bowls and 4 conference title games. Without: 0.
If you don't like Belichick's demeanor, fine, if you think he's a cheater, fine. Irregardless his brilliance is manifest for anyone not blind to see, unless you're going to maintain that every conference title game, every Super Bowl, every championship he's been a part since the beginning of his career was some sort of ill-gotten gain. If you're able to ignore the success before Brady, or ignore the success by Brady with the meager resources that were often at Belichick's and Brady's disposal, then you're just not honest or very bright.
Post-Spygate. He was a dropped Asante Samuel interception from coaching an undefeated season and winning a fourth Super Bowl. He was a dropped Wes Welker first-down from winning a fifth! Had they won either of those games his detractors would have to acknowledge the obvious, but because they didn't do two simple things in their grasp in those 2-games they came away a loser and people pretend Belichick just fell down a bloody hole! Ridiculous. He and Brady won Super Bowls with their best offensive players being Antawn Smith, Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens and Deion Branch! Neither Belichick or Brady have had the services of great offensive players in their primes with the exception of the oft-injured Gronk and the now departed Wes Welker. They got one Pro Bowl season out of an old Corey Dillon and 1 great and 2 very good years out of an older Randy Moss. Contrast that with what Montana or Aikman won with, or what Roethlisberger or Manning had at their disposable during Brady's peak!
Don Shula's last 11-years as a coach? Not one Super Bowl appearance with the greatest passer the NFL has ever known. His last 22-years as a coach not a single championship! 2-4 record in Super Bowls! And guys want to mock Bill Belichick for failing in Cleveland? The guy posted an 11-5 record at one point with the Browns and coached the greatest Browns' defense in that franchises storied history, a defense which allowed an historically low number of PPG. That 1994 Browns' defense gave up like the sixth lowest number of points in the 16-game schedule era up to that time, they've fallen down the list since then, but that was a staggering accomplishment when you consider the only guys you could identify out of that unit were old guys like Pepper Johnson and Carl Banks and All-Pros Eric Turner and Michael Dean Perry.
To say that Belichick's genius is a product of Tom Brady's talent is mindboggling in its stupidity. It's like saying Bill Walsh's creds as an OC and HC were a product of Ken Anderson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana and Steve Young, all of whom he coached at one time! Didn't Shula enjoy the talents of Unitas, Griese and Marino almost for the entirety of his coaching career? Shula had Marino and got to 3 AFC title games and 1 Super Bowl with him in an era when the AFC was pathetic. We got beat up in an AFC title game by Tony Eason! Belichick has been to 7 AFC title games and 5 Super Bowls with Brady in an era when the AFC has been the stronger conference. When you include Belichick's resume as a DC with the Giants, Pats and Jets his teams went to a staggering 11 conference championships, won 8 conference titles and won 5 Super Bowls! And Belichick's teams did this with quarterbacks like Jeff Hostetler, Phil Simms, Drew Bledsoe and a 35-year old Vinny Testaverde! All long before Brady came along. Not only is Belichick a genius. He's a genius that propped up another guy with the reputation for greatness, Parcells, and if you don't believe that compare the Parcells with Belichick when he was his DC with the Parcells without him, it's stark. With Belichick: 2 championships, 3 Super Bowls and 4 conference title games. Without: 0.
If you don't like Belichick's demeanor, fine, if you think he's a cheater, fine. Irregardless his brilliance is manifest for anyone not blind to see, unless you're going to maintain that every conference title game, every Super Bowl, every championship he's been a part since the beginning of his career was some sort of ill-gotten gain. If you're able to ignore the success before Brady, or ignore the success by Brady with the meager resources that were often at Belichick's and Brady's disposal, then you're just not honest or very bright.
Omg great post, someone who knows football, freaking rare. Great post man!
the team was 4-5 when they announced the move, they weren't rolling.
he went 11-5 w/o Brady w/ a team that was 16-0 w/ Brady the year before and played a MUCH easier schedule yet still failed to make the playoffs.
They were 0-2 w/o Brady, Brady steps on the field and magically they win 11 of 14 games. He wasn't great yet but he was the difference btw that team missing the playoffs again and winning the SB.
well Matt Cassell did win a div title in KC and again the team was undefeated the year before so they lost 5 more games which is a HUGE difference against a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH weaker schedule and STILL missed the playoffs.
Coughlin did get Jax to 2 title games something BB never did w/o Brady. Again, I think BB has developed into a great coach but w/o Brady rescuing his career he'd be a DC somewhere today.
JTech194
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Because coaches learn that's why. He won 11 games with Matt Cassell, who turned out to be a not so good QB. It's the system, they've lost players, OC's and DC's but continue to win. He's the common denominator
JTech194
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Another Example of how good of a coach BB is, you have to give credit where credit is due. The pats did two things in the second half that ALL comes down to coaching. 1. they knew that we were playing two Olineman in new situations, A, McKinney playing LT for us and Martin playing RT for the first time this year, so what do they do?? The blitz the hell out of us, see if they can figure out who to block. And we couldn't. they had guys coming in unblocked almost the entire second half. It's funny because I actually thought the oline played much better yesterday, but still have up 7 sacks. Most of those sacks were scheme though. Secondly, they went to the hurry up, when they had a little rhythm going, catching the dolphins off guard on several plays, including the TD run by the RB.
how has that system done w/o Tom Brady?
again on Cassell- he won a div title in KC so he could play and let's look at the 2007 pats vs. playoff bound teams and the 2008 pats against playoff bound teams:
2007:
6-0, average margin of victory: 19.7 PPG
2008:
2-4 record, average margin of loss: 17.8 PPG
BB w/o Tom Brady(113 games):
51-62 record, 45% win %
ZERO div titles
ONE playoff app
ONE playoff win
1-1 playoff record
ZERO title game apps
ZERO conf titles
ZERO SB apps
ZERO SB titles
BB WITH Tom Brady(183 games):
142-41, 78%
10 div titles
17-7 playoff record
6 title game apps
5 conf titles
3 SB titles
AGAIN, I think he has developed into a great coach but winning 11 in 2008 against that creampuff sched w/ a team that was undefeated the year before is not an example. Brady saved his career and is reason #1 NE became a dynasty and has remained an elite franchise for so long.
Don also made a SB w/ David Woodley. Both are all time great coaches but Don would have been great regardless, BB never would have had the chance to become great if not for Brady rescuing his career.
dlockz
Hall Of Famer
Well Brady is not playing very well this year and yet NE is still finding ways to win
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
Not really. You might want to re-read the Spygate story.