The Official 2006 New York Yankees Thread!

[MikeO]

yea and it was even even better move by Cashman to get Carl Pavano, what an All-Star he has been in NY :rolleyes2

Matt Clement buddy! All I gotta say! :sidelol:

Not to mention Edgar Renteria!

 

[The Confessor]

I'm sick of randy johnson. We got him half a year too late, if we get him at the deadline in '04 then it's 88 years and counting for Boston but we wait until the offseason and now he sucks.

Yeah, and if my Aunt had peanuts she would be my Uncle....

Sorry, but you are DEAD wrong. Johnson was out most of 03 and was extremely questionable in 04.:shakeno:

Never came back from the serious knee problems he had. Never will.

 

[MikeO]

Yeah, and if my Aunt had peanuts she would be my Uncle....

Sorry, but you are DEAD wrong. Johnson was out most of 03 and was extremely questionable in 04.:shakeno:

Never came back from the serious knee problems he had. Never will.

Your half right. In 2004 he was good, not great but good. But being GOOD in the NATIONAL LEAGUE makes you look better than you are. Being good in the AL and your have a 4.5 era and will have games like yesterday every now and then.

I mean it was just 2 starts ago where he shutout the Braves and had 9 K's. And just 4 starts ago where he gave up 1 run and had like 8 K's. The guy is good. He isn't AWFUL. he isn't GREAT. He is a solid pitcher who gets knocked around every few starts. Most good pitchers in the AL are like that.

His reputation was so high that everyone expects greatness, but he's old and not the same guy anymore. Hasn't been for a while. He is a good pitcher. People have to put their expectations in check and get back to reality. His strikeouts have gone up as the season as gone on. His fastball has been getting faster. The guy is a GOOD pitcher. Anyone expecting greatness from him at this stage is just a fool

 

[Phinz4Life]

Your half right. In 2004 he was good, not great but good. But being GOOD in the NATIONAL LEAGUE makes you look better than you are. Being good in the AL and your have a 4.5 era and will have games like yesterday every now and then.

I mean it was just 2 starts ago where he shutout the Braves and had 9 K's. And just 4 starts ago where he gave up 1 run and had like 8 K's. The guy is good. He isn't AWFUL. he isn't GREAT. He is a solid pitcher who gets knocked around every few starts. Most good pitchers in the AL are like that.

His reputation was so high that everyone expects greatness, but he's old and not the same guy anymore. Hasn't been for a while. He is a good pitcher. People have to put their expectations in check and get back to reality. His strikeouts have gone up as the season as gone on. His fastball has been getting faster. The guy is a GOOD pitcher. Anyone expecting greatness from him at this stage is just a fool

True, true. As long as he can have a good amount of these good games, the duo of Moose and Wang is as good as you can get.

I still think the Yankees might need another pitcher, I'm not counting on Carl Pavano.

 

[The Confessor]

Your half right. In 2004 he was good, not great but good. But being GOOD in the NATIONAL LEAGUE makes you look better than you are. Being good in the AL and your have a 4.5 era and will have games like yesterday every now and then.

No- in 04 he was mediocre at best. He was the strike out leader, but we are in the NL-West:shakeno:. He shouldve been the number 2 pitcher (Behind Brandon Webb-cept B-Webb was really young)

I mean it was just 2 starts ago where he shutout the Braves and had 9 K's. And just 4 starts ago where he gave up 1 run and had like 8 K's. The guy is good. He isn't AWFUL. he isn't GREAT. He is a solid pitcher who gets knocked around every few starts. Most good pitchers in the AL are like that.

His reputation was so high that everyone expects greatness, but he's old and not the same guy anymore. Hasn't been for a while. He is a good pitcher. People have to put their expectations in check and get back to reality. His strikeouts have gone up as the season as gone on. His fastball has been getting faster. The guy is a GOOD pitcher. Anyone expecting greatness from him at this stage is just a fool

Yeah big deal. The Braves are TERRIBLE. We even swept them-In Atlanta (We have been on a 4-19 streak since that series).

Once again, Steinbrainer has thrown a huge bucket of money at a guy out of his prime.
He would be a solid 3rd pitcher, and might go .500 in that role...
That being said, if you were to make it to the big dance this year, and you needed a situation pitcher to come in at a key time---The big unit would be an ideal guy IMO

 

[MikeO]

True, true. As long as he can have a good amount of these good games, the duo of Moose and Wang is as good as you can get.

I still think the Yankees might need another pitcher, I'm not counting on Carl Pavano.

Mussiana, Wang, Randy. That isn't a bad top 3. Sure, it could be better. But for christ sakes how many teams #3 pitchers are as good as Randy?

And I know Randy wasn't brought in to be a #3 starting pitcher on this staff, but it is what it is, so we have to deal with it and move on. No use crying or whining over it. It's 2006 and Randy is what he is.

And EVERY team can use another pitcher. The Yanks will make a move, bank on it. It won't be Zito or Livan, but maybe a Radke type of guy who can eat up some innings and not kill ya.

 

[Phinz4Life]

Mussiana, Wang, Randy. That isn't a bad top 3. Sure, it could be better. But for christ sakes how many teams #3 pitchers are as good as Randy?

And I know Randy wasn't brought in to be a #3 starting pitcher on this staff, but it is what it is, so we have to deal with it and move on. No use crying or whining over it. It's 2006 and Randy is what he is.

And EVERY team can use another pitcher. The Yanks will make a move, bank on it. It won't be Zito or Livan, but maybe a Radke type of guy who can eat up some innings and not kill ya.

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. Between Chacon and Wright, our bull-pen isn't getting the help they need.

I can't WAIT for Dotel to be back, that is going to help so much. The bridge to Mo would be Farns then Dotel. Farntelmo. Not the same ring as Quangormo or Tangormo, but, it works. :D

 

[MikeO]

Once again, Steinbrainer has thrown a huge bucket of money at a guy out of his prime.
He would be a solid 3rd pitcher, and might go .500 in that role...
That being said, if you were to make it to the big dance this year, and you needed a situation pitcher to come in at a key time---The big unit would be an ideal guy IMO

First off he is going to go better than .500. He is almost at 10 wins at the break, on a pace to probably win close to 20. So, let's look at the facts.

Second, who cares about how much moeny he makes???? Seriously, MONEY is never an issue with the Yanks. What the payroll is and how much he makes means nothing to nobody and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Who cares? If this team were on a budget then sure you look at the money, they aren't on a budget. The money is meaningless.

Also, another fact. Steinbrenner isn't throwing money around and hasn't been for a while. Incase you haven't heard and this is a story that will get more pub over the coming months as it is getting worse, and it will get a ton of press this offseason. George is in the early stages of alzthemers. The man at this stage has almost no power and isn't doing any day to day work with anything. He gets his updates and is kept in the loop, but he isn't making any decisions anymore. He's an old man who is going through a very tough time. \

Go back to when he talked to the press earlier this year and said..."he expects more out of his thirdbasemen". The reason he didn't say AROD is because he couldn't remember his name!!!!!!!!! Anyone who has family or friends who have suffered from this disease knows how painful it can be.

The whole "THE BOSS" and "BIG GEORGE" thing is nice media fodder and is fun to talk about. But at this stage its just myth and more legend at this point.

 

[MikeO]

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. Between Chacon and Wright, our bull-pen isn't getting the help they need.

I can't WAIT for Dotel to be back, that is going to help so much. The bridge to Mo would be Farns then Dotel. Farntelmo. Not the same ring as Quangormo or Tangormo, but, it works. :D

1) Wright is working his way back up to full strength. He could be going 7 innings soon after the break. Chacon will be traded take it to the bank. He actually has a little value out there.

2) Dotel will help. Don't be shocked if they make a move for a Bob Wickman type who is on the block. To help in middle relief as well. He is going to be out there and could be had real cheap.

 

[The Confessor]

First off he is going to go better than .500. He is almost at 10 wins at the break, on a pace to probably win close to 20. So, let's look at the facts.

Perhaps, or maybe not.

Second, who cares about how much moeny he makes???? Seriously, MONEY is never an issue with the Yanks. What the payroll is and how much he makes means nothing to nobody and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Who cares? If this team were on a budget then sure you look at the money, they aren't on a budget. The money is meaningless.

Which is why I root for whoever is playing the Yankees. BTW- The last time Johnson was worth a damn is when we were beating you in the World Series.

Go back to when he talked to the press earlier this year and said..."he expects more out of his thirdbasemen". The reason he didn't say AROD is because he couldn't remember his name!!!!!!!!! Anyone who has family or friends who have suffered from this disease knows how painful it can be.

The whole "THE BOSS" and "BIG GEORGE" thing is nice media fodder and is fun to talk about. But at this stage its just myth and more legend at this point.

Sorry to hear about Steinbrainer, but the dude will be taken care of better than most. I wouldnt worry about him too much, somebody will be by his side makin sure he doesnt run out of Apple Sauce..

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Stop it.That was a bad trade for the Sox. Arroyo is better than Jason Johnson, Lester, Wakefield, Wells and Clement! He would be your #3 starter. Even if you didn't want to start him, you put him in middle relief and he's better than Tavarez, and you put him in that spot.

Willy Mo doesn't make the Sox better and won't make any difference on where this team finishes.

If Boston DOESN"T win the world series and falls short because they don't have enough arms, this is the trade that killed them. Arroyo might benifit due to playing in the NL, but bottom line is he is having a big year! Can't spin that.

There are so many flaws with this post.

 

[Phinz4Life]

1) Wright is working his way back up to full strength. He could be going 7 innings soon after the break. Chacon will be traded take it to the bank. He actually has a little value out there.

2) Dotel will help. Don't be shocked if they make a move for a Bob Wickman type who is on the block. To help in middle relief as well. He is going to be out there and could be had real cheap.

Unfortunately Joe won't let him go past six. They need to let him try.

I don't think Chacon has enough trade value to get anything worth it. The Yankees could use pitching help (starting and pen), and a corner infielder who can hit for some power to fill in until Sheff or Mats gets back.

The Yankees run average the past few games is not going to cut it. You can't win 2-1, 3-2 everyday.

 

[MikeO]

Steve Phillips on ESPN this morning said the Yanks will look to trade AROD in the offseason. I now know why he isn't a GM anymore.

1) Texas is paying alot of Arod's salary currently. I think if the Yanks trade him then Texas is off the hook and NY gets stuck with the bulk of it and would have to assume more in any trade probably.

2) Only about 5 teams could afford him, so trading him is tough and you will NEVER get equal value.

3) He is STILL the best all around player in the game. The guy has one bad month and now he is trade bait.

Way to go Steve Phillips. We now know why you haven't had a job since you were FIRED by the Mets. And probably won't be getting a GM job anytime soon.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Stop it.That was a bad trade for the Sox. Arroyo is better than Jason Johnson, Lester, Wakefield, Wells and Clement! He would be your #3 starter. Even if you didn't want to start him, you put him in middle relief and he's better than Tavarez, and you put him in that spot.

Willy Mo doesn't make the Sox better and won't make any difference on where this team finishes.

If Boston DOESN"T win the world series and falls short because they don't have enough arms, this is the trade that killed them. Arroyo might benifit due to playing in the NL, but bottom line is he is having a big year! Can't spin that.

Please Arroyo was an average starter in the AL and has been for the 3 years he was there, don't make him out to be better than he is. Arroyo isn't better than Wakefield, I'm sorry and right now Lester is showing why Arroyo was traded in the first place. Realistically Arroyo is a 4th starter and would be if he were on the Sox, if everyone was healthy he wouldn't even be in the rotation. Everyone is overrated Arroyo a lot. Yes he's having a great year but no one would think twice about him if he was still on the Sox and if I said watch out for Arroyo you'd give me one of your famous head shake nos along with the guy laughing on the floor.

Wily Mo helped the Sox early in the season when he carried the team, you don't know what you're talking about. Plus Wily Mo is a good platoon for Nixon and in case any of the OFers go down with an injury he's a big bat they could use to replace in the line up.

If Boston doesn't win the World Series, it won't be because Arroyo isn't there. That's just a Red Sox hater remark. Last time I checked he wasn't Curt Schilling, Beckett or Papelbon who are the keys to the Sox chances.

And just to save anyone from saying how clutch Arroyo was for the Sox here are his post season stats:
10 games, 2 starts, 3 and 2 record, 17 innings pitched, 19 hits, 14 earn runs, 9 walks and 20 Ks, ERA of 7.41.

And here's his stats vs. the Yankees in the regular season:
8 games, 6 starts, no record, 39.2 innings pitched, 48 hits, 24 earned runs, 10 BB, 20 Ks, ERA of 5.45.

 

[MikeO]

And here's his stats vs. the Yankees in the regular season:
8 games, 6 starts, no record, 39.2 innings pitched, 48 hits, 24 earned runs, 10 BB, 20 Ks, ERA of 5.45.

man you guys meassure everything vs the Yanks. I have never seen an obsession like this before in my life. It's scary.