I guess we needed two threads about this.
The problem is Ross.
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I guess we needed two threads about this.
I have no problem with Ross. Most NFL owners aren't football people when the buy a team. NFL owners become football people. Joe Robbie was a lawyer first, and Huizenga owned a waste management company....Jerry Jones an oil exploration company, Paul Allen a software developer, ect. Most owners are hands-off and football is secondary. I dont understand how some of you expect the owner to be that all-knowledgeable football guru. Most of these guys are just fans when the become owner. All we can hope for is that he hires the right people and stays out of the way.
nyashfan
For Earth Below
I think the problem is the media spewing exaggerated falsehoods about the organization which many fans treat as gospel that promulgate this never ending "clean house" hysteria.
I keep hearing that Bob McNair is a great owner. How many seasons did he tolerate mediocrity with Kubiak? Nine or ten years? But he made this brilliant move by hiring Bill O'Brien. He's a genius. He's a Belichick disciple. He yells at Tom Brady on the sidelines. He just hired Romeo Crennel as DC, etc. Are there any media reports citing the abject failure of the Belichick coaching tree? Or the perils of hiring coordinators based on nepotism?
So I see Ross/Philbin in the same vein as McNair/O'Brien. Yet the Texans are a great organization and the Dolphins aren't. I'm starting to think that the difference is the fan base.
I think Ross had good instincts when pursuing Harbaugh and I think this year he identified the two malignant cancers, Ireland and Sherman, and got rid of them. I agreed with Ross' decision to retain Philbin because he has shown potential to become a good head coach based on two years at the job. Head coaches have the ability to develop and learn as do QB's. If we are willing to see the potential in Tannehill then I don't blame Ross for allowing Philbin another year or two to reach his potential.
To blame Ross for committing to Philbin after only two years is unfair; if he waits 9 or 10 years like Bob McNair did with Kubiak then Ross would be a major problem and would be rightfully castigated for not firing his head coach several years earlier. I mean it's not like Ross traded our 1st round draft pick for a running back that can't play.
I keep hearing that Bob McNair is a great owner. How many seasons did he tolerate mediocrity with Kubiak? Nine or ten years? But he made this brilliant move by hiring Bill O'Brien. He's a genius. He's a Belichick disciple. He yells at Tom Brady on the sidelines. He just hired Romeo Crennel as DC, etc. Are there any media reports citing the abject failure of the Belichick coaching tree? Or the perils of hiring coordinators based on nepotism?
So I see Ross/Philbin in the same vein as McNair/O'Brien. Yet the Texans are a great organization and the Dolphins aren't. I'm starting to think that the difference is the fan base.
I think Ross had good instincts when pursuing Harbaugh and I think this year he identified the two malignant cancers, Ireland and Sherman, and got rid of them. I agreed with Ross' decision to retain Philbin because he has shown potential to become a good head coach based on two years at the job. Head coaches have the ability to develop and learn as do QB's. If we are willing to see the potential in Tannehill then I don't blame Ross for allowing Philbin another year or two to reach his potential.
To blame Ross for committing to Philbin after only two years is unfair; if he waits 9 or 10 years like Bob McNair did with Kubiak then Ross would be a major problem and would be rightfully castigated for not firing his head coach several years earlier. I mean it's not like Ross traded our 1st round draft pick for a running back that can't play.
That's all in the past actually. You'd know if you went to a game recently.
ohall
A Miami Dolphins fan, not a players fan.
I agree Ross is a concern, but I refuse to believe someone as successful as he obviously is will not learn from his mistakes. But if he continues to be a knucklehead, well what can we do? It's his freaking team.
Milk Man
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The man owns the team and is entitled to run it as he deems fit. He has tried the czar approach which has failed. The he tried to remain loyal to Ireland through some tough times. He got his chance to hire his own coach and now has his chance to hire his own GM - he can take a week or two to make his decision and to be comfortable that it's the right decision. Only time will tell of course.
Besides winning - which is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing - I think the guy has been OK to above average as an owner. He has certainly spent his money on players (on GM's recommendations) and has upgraded the stadium and bettered the fan experience. I could list more that a half dozen owners who have not done either of those for the past decade!
Besides winning - which is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing - I think the guy has been OK to above average as an owner. He has certainly spent his money on players (on GM's recommendations) and has upgraded the stadium and bettered the fan experience. I could list more that a half dozen owners who have not done either of those for the past decade!
nyashfan
For Earth Below
Spot on! You made some excellent points. In fact, right after you posted this Armando's blog said that Ross is 100% engaged in the GM hiring process and physically present at each interview. While Armando himself cannot always be trusted, this report is nonetheless encouraging that Ross will hire the most qualified GM, hopefully by the end of the week.
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If it takes a decade, Ross will be dead by that time. He is in his mid 70s now.
And you fail to state the most glaring issue with Ross, the fact that he is an absentee owner who still wants to "oversee" the operation from afar. The coach, GM and Aponte all report directly to Ross, yet Ross isn't even around to see how they are performing. He just takes their word, and those of his advisors who also aren't in the building day to day...
Roman529
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I am not sure how much of an impact any owner has on whether his team wins a Superbowl. Exhibit A: JERRY JONES.
Jones was thought of as a brilliant genius for helping the Cowboys win THREE Superbowls in the 90's, shortly after he bought the team. Did he all of a suddenly lose his touch or become stupid after winning three rings? NOOOOO. An owner doesn't win or lose SB's....his players and coaching staff decides things.
Finfan0120
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He's a complete dirtbag, well-known racist, and terrible NFL owner. He almost makes me want to switch teams.
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Racist? Hadn't heard that one. Care to explain?
Classic message board nonsense.
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We will agree to disagree on this, but my opinion is that this not nearly the issue that you make it out to be.
That is total BS - where did you get this from? I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate any hint of racism. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada.
He is a good man and the reality is that he was stuck with people like Parcells (and his appointments, Ireland and Sparano). Stephen Ross' single major appointment to date has been Joe Philbin. The new GM to be appointed soon will be the next.
A few years ago he made the mistake of sticking with Sparano after meeting with Jim Harbaugh. As a strong Michigan man he had known Harbaugh for some time. (Ross has donated over $200M to the university and the Business School is named after him). Ross' instincts told him that Harbaugh would be a successful NFL coach and he wanted to try to get him. However, it got leaked by the Harbaugh's agent to the media and was an embarrassment that he learnt from. After that, he probably should have just cut Sparano instead of wasting a year.
Let's be patient and see who he appoints as GM.
ohall
A Miami Dolphins fan, not a players fan.
I don't buy into that. I'd rather have a owner that actually allows the ppl he hires to run the team, rather than the owner running the team. The last thing I want is another Jerry freaking Jones. I'm glad he doesn't feel he knows more than the paid professionals. IMO if he inserted himself even more into the day to day of this franchise we'd be lucky to win more than 4 games a year.
However if you are saying we could have a better owner? Maybe, but this is reality, we don't choose our owner.
Ross does a lot of things really well as a NFL owner. He opens up his wallet and he doesn't appear to interfere with the day to day of running the franchise. Does he look and talk like a bafoon? Of course he does. But he's obviously a capable individual. Money doesn't grow on trees and yet he owns a forest of money, so he can't be that stupid.
And the Aponte thing, I'd be shocked if every NFL owner doesn't have their own in house snitch.
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