The Question of Ryan Tannehill - Bill Barnwell

[nyjunc]

And the words "pretty good" appear where???????

I think it can be inferred that it was better than pretty good. anyone watching w/o bias could see it. The OL wasn't great but it certainly was good enough. You missed the playoffs more b/c of the QB play than the OL. If either are improved you probably make it but if Ryan played a little better you easily make it.

No one was talking OL after the NE game and you needed 1 win over Buf or NYJ to make it. it became the excuse after those failures.

josh freeman was never a solution....maybe in his biased brain he was.

these guys tend to look at #s, he had a good #s year in 2010.

Time Until Sack

Rank Name Team Drop backs To Sack
1 Russell Wilson SEA 274 4.05
2 Alex D. Smith SF 244 4.03
3 Michael Vick PHI 366 4.02
4 Jay Cutler CHI 278 4.01
5 Josh Freeman TB 274 3.87
6 John Skelton ARZ 187 3.85
7 Matt Cassel KC 260 3.81
8 Joe Flacco BLT 299 3.68
9 Aaron Rodgers GB 373 3.62
10 Matt Schaub HST 260 3.61
11 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 281 3.61
12 Matthew Stafford DET 369 3.57
13 Andrew Luck IND 371 3.39
14 Mark Sanchez NYJ 291 3.34
15 Cam Newton CAR 266 3.27
16 Tom Brady NE 335 3.26
17 Christian Ponder MIN 330 3.22
18 Tony Romo DAL 335 3.11
19 Eli Manning NYG 331 3.04
20 Andy Dalton CIN 315 3.02
21 Matt Hasselbeck TEN 240 2.94
22 Robert Griffin III WAS 309 2.85
23 Drew Brees NO 357 2.85
24 Matt Ryan ATL 331 2.84
25 Brandon Weeden CLV 356 2.84
26 Carson Palmer OAK 347 2.67
27 Sam Bradford SL 278 2.66
28 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 316 2.56
29 Blaine Gabbert JAX 271 2.51
30 Peyton Manning DEN 304 2.5
31 Ryan Tannehill MIA 261 2.48
32 Philip Rivers SD 285 2.43
33 Kevin Kolb ARZ 217 2.28

this is from november, so yes maybe it got better in December but by a large margin? I doubt that. A QB needs more then 2.48 seconds in the pocket. 2nd worst among starting QBs

I think those #s are from 2012, mark $anchez didn't play in 2013.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

One thing I'd mention on the Jets game is that our offense just sort of died after Hartline got hurt. Minus Gibson and Hartline, that essentially left us with two weapons on the field: Clay and Wallace.

I think that's why when people say Gibson might be cut, they are totally missing the point of why we drafted Jarvis Landry. I think we drafted Landry not so that we could cut Brandon Gibson, but so that we have enough wide receivers to survive an injury or two and still field a credible offense.

Keep in mind that a lot of Dolphins coaches seem genuinely surprised at how good Landry has been. They didn't draft him because they thought he was going to glide in and take a starting spot from day one. I really think it was intended to be a depth pick that's going to turn into a steal.

 

[hoops]

Yeah,. that's something that a bunch of people here brought up during the season. Teams were consistently able to get significant pressure rushing only 4. Kind of hard to be successful throwing into that, isn't it?

i'd like to know what our average 3rd down distance was to the sticks...it's not like the team could really run the ball..and so teams could play soft coverages and rush 4 and even 3 sometimes and get home...i mean there was just so many things against a green qb last year that tannehill had to compensate for or try to...

no doubt in my mind if the protection had help up better he'd have been a 85 plus rating qb in 2013...easy...he could have stayed on some progression reads a little longer also and let plays develop...miami didnt run so many stop routes against off coverage to wallace for nothing...

 

[BlueFin]

Sorry Trolls....he said the line was worse in the first half...he didn't say it was pretty good in the 2nd half.

In fact...more to the point....this is what he said:

That likely owes something to Tannehill being stuck behind the league’s worst offensive line last season, as he was sacked a league-high 58 times and knocked down, per the newly released Football Outsiders Almanac 2014, 101 times.

 

[nick1]

You are right junc it was the year before my mistake

 

[hoops]

One thing I'd mention on the Jets game is that our offense just sort of died after Hartline got hurt. Minus Gibson and Hartline, that essentially left us with two weapons on the field: Clay and Wallace.

I think that's why when people say Gibson might be cut, they are totally missing the point of why we drafted Jarvis Landry. I think we drafted Landry not so that we could cut Brandon Gibson, but so that we have enough wide receivers to survive an injury or two and still field a credible offense.

Keep in mind that a lot of Dolphins coaches seem genuinely surprised at how good Landry has been. They didn't draft him because they thought he was going to glide in and take a starting spot from day one. I really think it was intended to be a depth pick that's going to turn into a steal.

it did...it allowed the jets to play more coverage on wallace and for cro to have a matchup with mathews that tannehill didn't like...and cro was healthy in that game...milliner got a ton of over the top help after and could play aggressive attacking the ball etc...but outside of the missed deep ball to wallace the biggest play for miamis o and the back breaker was the dropped cross by mathews on a lb...that was a killer momentum breaker

also i think the jets surprised miami when they put milliner on wallace and cro on hartline...in the first game hartline ate milliner for breakfast and wallace caught the ball a plenty in front of a laboring cro and it was pitch and catch...

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I think it can be inferred that it was better than pretty good. anyone watching w/o bias could see it. The OL wasn't great but it certainly was good enough. You missed the playoffs more b/c of the QB play than the OL.

No. Wrong. 100% wrong and clearly not supported by your quote from the article and directly refuted by my quote from the article. So, as usual, wrong.

 

[enigmatics]

Don't intentionally bait please.

He's not baiting. He's pointing out something some of us had argued last year.

Damn seriously you guys are so old with the Buttfumble trolling. Stop talking about Mark buttfumble for effin' sakes. We know where the conversation leads ........ WHICH IS NOWHERE. Grow up. We don't need yet another thread derailed into that subject.

 

[nyjunc]

it did...it allowed the jets to play more coverage on wallace and for cro to have a matchup with mathews that tannehill didn't like...and cro was healthy in that game...milliner got a ton of over the top help after and could play aggressive attacking the ball etc...but outside of the missed deep ball to wallace the biggest play for miamis o and the back breaker was the dropped cross by mathews on a lb...that was a killer momentum breaker

also i think the jets surprised miami when they put milliner on wallace and cro on hartline...in the first game hartline ate milliner for breakfast and wallace caught the ball a plenty in front of a laboring cro and it was pitch and catch...

Cro was not healthy, he wasn't healthy at any point. Milliner was taking the top WRs on opposing teams late in the year including Wallace and Josh Gordon. If they were surprised they shouldn't have been.

That injury hurt you w/o a doubt but we lost our best weapon on O too and it didn't stop geno. Things like that happen, you have to be able to overcome, he and Miami were not able to do so.

 

[BlueFin]

I think it can be inferred that it was better than pretty good. anyone watching w/o bias could see it. The OL wasn't great but it certainly was good enough. You missed the playoffs more b/c of the QB play than the OL. If either are improved you probably make it but if Ryan played a little better you easily make it.

No one was talking OL after the NE game and you needed 1 win over Buf or NYJ to make it. it became the excuse after those failures.



these guys tend to look at #s, he had a good #s year in 2010.



I think those #s are from 2012, mark $anchez didn't play in 2013.

Do you ever think before you post?

Buffalo sacked him 7 times in week 16.

As has been acknowledged...he didn't get it done against the hapless Jets in week 17, though, it's an arguable point of how beat up he was after the punishment against Buffalo and how that may have affected him physically and mentally.

 

[nyjunc]

You are right junc it was the year before my mistake

do you have last year? and can it be broken down to 1st and 2nd half?

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Do you ever think before you post?

Buffalo sacked him 7 times in week 16.

As has been acknowledged...he didn't get it done against the hapless Jets in week 17, though, it's an arguable point of how beat up he was after the punishment against Buffalo and how that may have affected him physically and mentally.

ok, your point is? he wasn't even breathed on a week later, what happened? what about the other 6 games of the 2nd half of the year?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

ok, your point is? he wasn't even breathed on a week later, what happened? what about the other 6 games of the 2nd half of the year?

He probably had the two best games of his career in weeks 14 and 15.

 

[nyjunc]

He probably had the two best games of his career in weeks 14 and 15.

week 14 he wasn't good but week 15 he was GREAT, that version of him scares me if he could play anywhere near that level consistently. I posted how great he was at the time, I couldn't have been more impressed w/ how well he played vs. NE.

 

[BlueFin]

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. - Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill left Sunday's 19-0 loss to the Buffalo Bills in the fourth quarter when a Kyle Williams sack injured his left knee.

Point is...how did his Buffalo beating affect his play against the Jets.

 

[SSnowman]

He's not baiting. He's pointing out something some of us had argued last year.

Damn seriously you guys are so old with the Buttfumble trolling. Stop talking about Mark buttfumble for effin' sakes. We know where the conversation leads ........ WHICH IS NOWHERE. Grow up. We don't need yet another thread derailed into that subject.

The guy who bumps threads created months ago to point out where somebody said something incorrect is telling people to grow up.