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The reason McCoy thinks he didnt get the job.

who the hell knows. I trust not one word out of anybody in our organizations mouth nor do I trust a so called spurned coach. Im pretty sure none of us will ever know the truth
 
ohall said:
How is it reasonable for a candidate that has no HC experience to be so arrogant as to say to the owner and GM I want to name my own HC? I mean really. We're not talking about someone that has an establishes track record building a quality staff. The honest truth is, all of these guys are a gamble and I fully support Ross/Ireland for applying some sort of control, until the HC proves they are capable. Before then, with all the stuff that has happened with this franchise and their choices for HC's, I would think Ross is either stupid or totally dettached from his teams realities if he didn't do so.

It's NOT your money or mine, I think it's weak and childish to imply the things some of you are implying. Shoot man, if you don't like it stop keeping up with the team. It ain't that complicated. There are 31 other teams you can follow and ***** about.
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Once again someone telling another person how to be a fan. i can like what I want and dislike what I want who the hell are you to tell me otherwise, yea just some slub on the internet. You dont even realize the context of what I was saying. I said it sounds reasonable that if you are going to be head coach , you might want the option to choose your dc.
Not every coach would buy into that they have an idea of who they want. I implied nothing .Now if he wanted to name his own gm that would be too far. If McCoy didnt feel comfortable with an inexperienced Dc being forced down his throat then bravo for him for saying so. I mean you think its reasonable for a coach to come here but they have no choice in staff. I have no clue what actually happened but i see no reason to not believe one party over another.
 
Hayden Fox said:
You know this FO is not respected around the league, right? Come on...Ross has a long way to go before he learns the ropes of being an owner.
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You know I said, "Not defending the FO", right? And what does Ross making recently good decisions have to do with "respect around the league"? I couldn't give a sh*t who respects this front office as long as they make the decisions that help this team win. If that occurs, then the respect follows.

And further, I never said that Ross has being an owner down pat. I said that he has learned from previous mistakes, which is progression. You know, the stuff that helps you to succeed.
 
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ckparrothead said:
I think this is a non-issue. The Dolphins don't even know if Todd Bowles is interested in staying in Miami, and in fact the article admits that Bowles was never told anything other than that Philbin got the job.

Mike McCoy has to be embarrassed about this whole thing. He went around telling everyone that he was getting the job. He even told the Raiders they can take their interview and shove it because he's pretty sure he's getting the Miami gig. Now he doesn't get it, and he has to come up with some reason why he didn't get it that makes Miami look bad and him look like the victim. It's only NATURAL to do that. So he cycles through in his mind trying to figure out where it all went wrong and he remembers the conversation about Bowles where they made it clear that they'd like him to consider Todd for the defensive coordinator position, they think highly of him, etc. THAT becomes the excuse. THAT becomes where it all went wrong.

But let's be honest. Jeff Ireland is the same guy that asked a prospect if his mom was a prostitute to see how he'd react. He's the guy that had Brian Daboll come barreling into the interview room playing Theatre of Life pretending to be a diva receiver pestering the quarterback to see how he'd handle it. It could very well be that conversation about Bowles was nothing more than push back to see how strong Mike McCoy's convictions are. If you tell them you're pretty sure you want a defensive coordinator with experience and then they make it clear they want Bowles, and you cave in easily, then obviously you're not very strong on your convictions of vision for what you want with the team.

I'm telling you, this was a NON-ISSUE in my opinion, because Bowles seems likely to leave anyway and has indeed told the Dolphins he'd like to explore his other options.

I think a bigger issue is how McCoy handled himself during the process. He interviews with the Dolphins and the interviews went well. So what does he do? He goes around telling everyone he's getting the job and even cancels the Oakland interview.

Think about it. You're an owner. You kind of want Joe Philbin. Your GM wants Mike McCoy. There's still active debate about this. You get wind that Mike McCoy is out there telling media people that he's the favorite for the job, a virtual lock for it as a matter of fact, to the point he actually cancels his Oakland interview and tells them it's because he's pretty sure he's getting the Miami job.

Doesn't that turn you off? It would turn me off. That's a level of ****iness and poor planning, poor professionalism, that doesn't bode well for you as an NFL head coach. Joe Philbin made it clear that he's ready to go for the Miami job if he's called for it, but he did go ahead and schedule that Tampa interview anyway. He went on business as usual while Jo-Jo the Circus Idiot is out doing cartwheels, selling his house and buying boat shoes. Considering how the Dolphins went immediately on to business as usual after finishing their Jeff Fisher interview, commencing with all their planned interviews while the Fisher saga stretched on...which approach do you think resonated with them more?

I'd bet on that being a bigger factor than the Todd Bowles thing.
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I was thinking though...you know what I love according to Mando's article? That McCoy KNEW he had a weakness that he was a 1st timer as a HC. He wanted to give the keys to a veteran DC so he could focus on the QB and offensive side of the ball. Tremendous introspective situation.

Also, where is McCoy so unreasonable? In the end, he said, he would interview Todd Bowles. If he does not know who the heck Todd Bowles is, why should be saddled with him as a coach?

Perhaps McCoy did make a good career move in the long run.
 
ckparrothead said:
I think this is a non-issue. The Dolphins don't even know if Todd Bowles is interested in staying in Miami, and in fact the article admits that Bowles was never told anything other than that Philbin got the job.

Mike McCoy has to be embarrassed about this whole thing. He went around telling everyone that he was getting the job. He even told the Raiders they can take their interview and shove it because he's pretty sure he's getting the Miami gig. Now he doesn't get it, and he has to come up with some reason why he didn't get it that makes Miami look bad and him look like the victim. It's only NATURAL to do that. So he cycles through in his mind trying to figure out where it all went wrong and he remembers the conversation about Bowles where they made it clear that they'd like him to consider Todd for the defensive coordinator position, they think highly of him, etc. THAT becomes the excuse. THAT becomes where it all went wrong.

But let's be honest. Jeff Ireland is the same guy that asked a prospect if his mom was a prostitute to see how he'd react. He's the guy that had Brian Daboll come barreling into the interview room playing Theatre of Life pretending to be a diva receiver pestering the quarterback to see how he'd handle it. It could very well be that conversation about Bowles was nothing more than push back to see how strong Mike McCoy's convictions are. If you tell them you're pretty sure you want a defensive coordinator with experience and then they make it clear they want Bowles, and you cave in easily, then obviously you're not very strong on your convictions of vision for what you want with the team.

I'm telling you, this was a NON-ISSUE in my opinion, because Bowles seems likely to leave anyway and has indeed told the Dolphins he'd like to explore his other options.

I think a bigger issue is how McCoy handled himself during the process. He interviews with the Dolphins and the interviews went well. So what does he do? He goes around telling everyone he's getting the job and even cancels the Oakland interview.

Think about it. You're an owner. You kind of want Joe Philbin. Your GM wants Mike McCoy. There's still active debate about this. You get wind that Mike McCoy is out there telling media people that he's the favorite for the job, a virtual lock for it as a matter of fact, to the point he actually cancels his Oakland interview and tells them it's because he's pretty sure he's getting the Miami job.

Doesn't that turn you off? It would turn me off. That's a level of ****iness and poor planning, poor professionalism, that doesn't bode well for you as an NFL head coach. Joe Philbin made it clear that he's ready to go for the Miami job if he's called for it, but he did go ahead and schedule that Tampa interview anyway. He went on business as usual while Jo-Jo the Circus Idiot is out doing cartwheels, selling his house and buying boat shoes. Considering how the Dolphins went immediately on to business as usual after finishing their Jeff Fisher interview, commencing with all their planned interviews while the Fisher saga stretched on...which approach do you think resonated with them more?

I'd bet on that being a bigger factor than the Todd Bowles thing.
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I was an avid supporter of hiring McCoy, but I agree with your assessment of the series of events that led to them choosing Philbin. When all the reports surfaced of McCoy believing the job was his to lose, I dismissed it as conjecture, because I found it strange that he would share those feelings with the media. I'm not sure if this was indeed the reason that Philbin was ultimately chosen over him, but it's very possible. Bad move Mike.
 
Maybe I missed something but when did McCoy say he was the next coach of the phins?
 
Hayden Fox said:
I was thinking though...you know what I love according to Mando's article? That McCoy KNEW he had a weakness that he was a 1st timer as a HC. He wanted to give the keys to a veteran DC so he could focus on the QB and offensive side of the ball. Tremendous introspective situation.

Also, where is McCoy so unreasonable? In the end, he said, he would interview Todd Bowles. If he does not know who the heck Todd Bowles is, why should be saddled with him as a coach?

Perhaps McCoy did make a good career move in the long run.
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I don't think McCoy was unreasonable, but I do think he was unprofessional. You don't run around canceling interviews because you think you have a job that, well, you don't have. Furthermore, after you get "snubbed", you don't run around and leak out business discussions as to why you think you didn't get hired. That's just sour grapes and shows a lack of maturity on his part. Be thankful for the chance and move on. If you want to have a chip on your shoulder, fine. But prove why you were snubbed, don't assume​.
 
Nobody is talking about how it is apparent that the team was not straightforward with Todd Bowles.

As many have stated prior, I think Bowles will not be back, so perhaps it is a nonissue.
 
This makes McCoy look like he had sour grapes. He is making excuses as to why he wasn't hired. Right out of Tony Sparano's playbook. Good riddance.
 
finsfanjay13 said:
I don't think McCoy was unreasonable, but I do think he was unprofessional. You don't run around canceling interviews because you think you have a job that, well, you don't have. Furthermore, after you get "snubbed", you don't run around and leak out business discussions as to why you think you didn't get hired. That's just sour grapes and shows a lack of maturity on his part. Be thankful for the chance and move on. If you want to have a chip on your shoulder, fine. But prove why you were snubbed, don't assume​.
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I think he cancelled interviews with other teams because he wanted to focus on our job. I think he thought it would make him look better to our front office. I think the whole Mccoy thinking he was the frontrunner was a non-issue.

I also don't believe this story. Sorry Armando, you blew too many reports on our head coaching search before this to be trusted IMO. The media doesn't have a clue of what is going on. I suggest we don't put too much stock into what they are saying.
 
Funny how some people are on this site, when they hear McCoy is our hire they jump on his bandwagon and give all these good reasons for the hire but once they find out they were wrong in who the coach is they then try to discredit him or make him look like a guy with an ax to grind. Purely hilarious. Call me what you want but at least Im consistent.
 
Kistner10 said:
I think he cancelled interviews with other teams because he wanted to focus on our job. I think he thought it would make him look better to our front office. I think the whole Mccoy thinking he was the frontrunner was a non-issue.

I also don't believe this story. Sorry Armando, you blew too many reports on our head coaching search before this to be trusted IMO. The media doesn't have a clue of what is going on. I suggest we don't put too much stock into what they are saying.
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Oh, I don't put a lot of stock into it. Earlier in the thread you will see where I criticize Armando and the lack of trust I have in his reporting. I'm just saying that if this is the case, my opinion is as such.

To your point: Canceling an interview to focus on the potential job is fine. Canceling the interview and then telling people you did it because you're the front runner is another thing, which is what was reported. If you don't agree with what was reported, you have the right to make a statement refuting it. I don't recall McCoy doing that, but I also haven't looked very deep. If you did indeed go tell people you were the front runner, and you don't win the job, don't go complaining about why you didn't win it. If I recall, Philbin basically said one thing: If he's offered the job, he's taking it. I think that is one reason he is now the head coach.
 
Hayden Fox said:
Nobody is talking about how it is apparent that the team was not straightforward with Todd Bowles.

As many have stated prior, I think Bowles will not be back, so perhaps it is a nonissue.
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It would be crazy if Bowles ended up leaving IF the reason Philbin got the job over McCoy because of his willingness to keep Bowles. I doubt that was the only reason. Seems to me that an older guy like Philbin would have had more time to develop contacts and personal relationships and could recruit a higher quality of staff than a guy like McCoy.
 
bottom line: i'd rather philbin and whoever than mccoy and bowles. hackmando is doing his tricks like 'jump' and 'play dead'.
 
Ireland just said that Philbin has 100% authority to hire his coaches. We will see, but he's on the record now.
 
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