The Stench You Smell is Ownership

[PhinSoldia]

I'm actually starting to think it is your post. :idk:

nope...i farted

 

[Canadianfishfan]

If only you knew the reason we never got Brees was Huzienga fault. He told Saban he was selling the team and did not want to pay Brees the money he demanded. It also lead to Saban telling Huzienga half way through the season he was leaving at the end of the season which was kept under wraps. Why do you thing Huzienga held the I love Nick press conference when he quit. Huzienga was a horrible owner and destroyed two sports teams in this town.

Correct. So many people praise Huizenga, but this decline started with him.

He was responsible for the 1-15 season. Not Ross. It all started under Huizenga's watch.

 

[PhinSoldia]

If anything, this is a reflection of Philbin. He's the one conducting the OC search. If a guy doesn't want a promotion to showcase his talents then do you think it reflects everyone?

Hardly. It reflects the head coach. I wouldn't be surprised if Philbin is also impacting the GM search.

The guy simply isn't a head coach. He doesn't have "IT".

I say hire Kubiak. If Philbin gets turfed during the season, then you have at least a suitable candidate for an interim role.

how all of this is shaking out i honestly think that Philbin is scared of hiring Kubiak

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If only you knew the reason we never got Brees was Huzienga fault. He told Saban he was selling the team and did not want to pay Brees the money he demanded. It also lead to Saban telling Huzienga half way through the season he was leaving at the end of the season which was kept under wraps. Why do you thing Huzienga held the I love Nick press conference when he quit. Huzienga was a horrible owner and destroyed two sports teams in this town.

3 by my count, he railroaded both the marlins and the Panthers

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If only you knew the reason we never got Brees was Huzienga fault. He told Saban he was selling the team and did not want to pay Brees the money he demanded. It also lead to Saban telling Huzienga half way through the season he was leaving at the end of the season which was kept under wraps. Why do you thing Huzienga held the I love Nick press conference when he quit. Huzienga was a horrible owner and destroyed two sports teams in this town.

3 by my count, he railroaded both the marlins and the Panthers after the Panthers stanley cup run in 96,

 

[dlockz]

If only you knew the reason we never got Brees was Huzienga fault. He told Saban he was selling the team and did not want to pay Brees the money he demanded. It also lead to Saban telling Huzienga half way through the season he was leaving at the end of the season which was kept under wraps. Why do you thing Huzienga held the I love Nick press conference when he quit. Huzienga was a horrible owner and destroyed two sports teams in this town.

Huzienga did destroy the Marlins but he always went all out to make the dolphins better. Ross has been the horrible owner . I don't doubt that Huzienga ran Saban off.
You cant blame Huzienga for the last 5 years of nonwinning. Ross already has more losing seasons as owner than Wayne ever had.

 

[dolpns13]

Agreed Ross isnt that great of an owner and does not know how to run this franchise, but the OP couldnt be more wrong about Ireland. It isnt Ross fault that Ireland essentially wasted 30M of cap space and drafted a bunch of players that couldnt get on the field. His first 5 picks got little to no playing time 3 of which were injured when he drafted them. Our draft class had the least amount of snaps than any other team in the league (coaching can be blamed but Ireland was essentially the one who put them on this team). Kiko Alonzo himself had almost 200 more snaps than our entire draft class.

I am starting to lean towards the OP ideas. Maybe all this mess is Ross' fault. He just doesn't know which direction to go

 

[dlockz]

Correct. So many people praise Huizenga, but this decline started with him.

He was responsible for the 1-15 season. Not Ross. It all started under Huizenga's watch.

The decline started with him but we were back to respectability the very next season only to be mired in mediocrity ever since Ross took over.
Its been 5 years since Huzienga gave up majority ownership to Ross so the blame for the current mess is all Ross. Nobody forced him to keep PArcells and Ireland.
He made these decisions. He chose to extend guys that deserved to be fired.

 

[Spesh]

I don't believe this baloney. The Dolphins are following a model that MANY teams in the NFL are using.

My only problem us why haven't they interviewed experienced GMs. Then again, if my memory serves me correctly, they were only going to announce candidates they've interviewed if the agreed to have their names released. So it's not like they may not have.

Now, as far as the OC position goes. Yea that's going to be a tough sell. But what would be for anyone in Philbins situation. But again, I find it hard to believe this is unique in the NFL coaching world. Guys are hired to be fired.

Just the way it goes.

Brian Xanders and Scot McCoughan both are former, experienced GM's. We interviewed Xanders and tried to interview McCoughan.

Ross is handling the GM's search correctly. Hes casting a wide net and going after as many respected people as possible. I have no complaints there. Hes a poor owner, but so far hes done this search right.

OC? Yeah, he screwed Philbin by making him a lame duck coach. But its still up to Philbin to land one of the guys hes interviewed. If Philbin gets them in a room he should be able to talk them into staying. He isnt. Thats alarming.

 

[phins_4_ever]

Listen, The man said 5 weeks ago or so the man was safe, then we lose two at the end, knocking us out, Philbin and Aponte then play blame game and send the man packing squeezing him out making everyone happy but not realizing how this looks to the rest of the league. They think everything would be hunky dory. So your right about the owner, but he has put his complete trust in a money person with no football knowledge and she is in the room all the time. So if anyone thinks we should clean house, you will have to wait a year. Joe and Tannehill will pay the price because of this.

So you wanted it and now you got it. Its called Karma. When you bag on a guy to no end and then people look at the big picture, it doesnt look inticing.

Ireland brought that upon himself. He tried to get Aponte fired. Anybody in Aponte's situation would have gone after Ireland as well. The only thing Aponte did was "doing her job".
He also publicly trashed Philbin behind his back in the last two weeks of the season. These reasons plus the 6 years that he was incompetent of putting a team together which can actually compete were his undoing. Ireland always had the ears (as big as they are) from Ross. I do believe though that Ross did something in the last 4 weeks of the season he has not done before: listen to other people.

Most likely things like "Ireland got the players he wanted rather than consult with the coaching staff" were becoming an issue for Ross.

I was definitely for a clean sweep and I ragged enough on Ross over the years. I always thought that we need a different owner. But my dislike for one or the other does not cloud my judgement nor does it take me away from reality. With all the facts coming out this offseason firing Ireland and Sherman were the right moves.

I had to realize that Philbin was sandwiched between incompetence. He had no influence on Sherman whatsoever and he had a GM above him who did whatever he pleased and at the end tried to put it on Philbin and throw him to wolves, make him the sacrificial lamb - behind Philbin's back I might add.

Ireland also did not play nice with Aponte. Her job is to keep our finances in football operations intact. Not only this year but also for the coming years. I am sure she blocked Ireland last offseason on several players he wanted to have. Without Aponte we would have had 1995 all over again and our cap would have gone to the crapper the next 5 years. You should never forget that Shula's spending spree in his last year strapped us financially well into the Wannstedt era.

Instead of playing nice and be a team player with both he trashed Philbin and tried to get Aponte fired. If he would have been a team player and even take some responsibility of that roster I am sure that Ross' decision would have looked much difference. But the last 4 weeks of the season (especially the last two) when this all went down sealed his fate.

To dump Ireland's firing on Aponte and Philbin is an argument of those who have nothing else to backup and justify a continued employment of Ireland.

 

[BigCityCat]

No it's your upper lip. Thread whack.

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I like our owner and I don't appreciate these threads that show so much disdain for our organization.

 

[MD]

Brian Xanders and Scot McCoughan both are former, experienced GM's. We interviewed Xanders and tried to interview McCoughan.

Ross is handling the GM's search correctly. Hes casting a wide net and going after as many respected people as possible. I have no complaints there. Hes a poor owner, but so far hes done this search right.

OC? Yeah, he screwed Philbin by making him a lame duck coach. But its still up to Philbin to land one of the guys hes interviewed. If Philbin gets them in a room he should be able to talk them into staying. He isnt. Thats alarming.

Have you noticed that guys like you, me, Gonzo, and a few others, who have been very critical of Ross and the front office when they deserved it, are the ones that are complimenting Ross on the way he is conducting this search and the candidates he is interviewing?

 

[phishxhead]

Ross is handling the GM's search correctly. Hes casting a wide net and going after as many respected people as possible.

The question is if he can close the deal on the top guy he wants.

 

[JFoxx]

Let's just wait and see how this all plays out before passing judgement. So far I think Ross is handling the GM search correctly and taking his time to make sure the right person is hired. The OC is Philbin's baby. It appears to us that he's losing out on our top prospects as several have landed jobs recently. However, could it be that we interviewed them but weren't really all that interested in them compared to another 1 or 2 we have in mind? I'm not letting them off the hook just yet, but it's a possibility. Why? McAdoo of all people would seemed to have been a slam dunk for us if Philbin wanted him, right (or so we are led to believe). So why does he go to the Giants with an unfamiliar coach and style of offense vs. Philbin and a system he can fit right into??? Either Philbin told him we were likely going elsewhere so take any offer you get or McAdoo wanted nothing to do with this mess. Not sure if we'll ever know for sure which is the case unless we hire a really strong OC (like Kubiak).

 

[JTC111]

We ran Ireland out the hell out of town, but only because Ross doesn't know what the hell is going on.

No, we ran Ireland out of town because he sucked. Getting rid of a bad GM is ALWAYS the right thing to do. The only way to get a great GM is to replace the mediocre or bad GM you have.

 

[phins_4_ever]

Huzienga did destroy the Marlins but he always went all out to make the dolphins better. Ross has been the horrible owner . I don't doubt that Huzienga ran Saban off.
You cant blame Huzienga for the last 5 years of nonwinning. Ross already has more losing seasons as owner than Wayne ever had.

Excuse me?
He founded the Marlins in 1993 and sold the Marlins in 1998. He invested heavily in that team to bring a Championship in 1997 to Miami. He lost every year money and in the 1997 Championship year he lost nearly 80 Million. A year later he sold the team.
It was first Henry and then Loria who made the Marlins a laughing stock. Though winning a Championship in 2003 Loria is doing everything he did with the Montreal Expos to run them into the ground.

Huizenga was not a horrible owner for any of the franchises he owned.
The Marlins won the World Series for the first time after just 4 years in existence.
The Panthers went to the Stanley Cup playoffs for the first time in their second year of existence and Huizenga. He invested heavily after that (incl players like Pavel Bure). In his 8 years as an owner of a new franchise they went three times to the playoffs and had one Conference Championship (incl the Stanley Cup Playoff run).
After he sold the team in 2001 they did not make the playoffs in 10 straight seasons.

 

[phinasota]

I've been saying this the whole time.dude has no clue how to manage people. No vision in employees. That's why he extends his employees and then fires them. Or he looks for a replacement while the position is already filled. Ppl see this around the league and want nothing to do with it. Oh, and how's his bringing in the damn hollywood scene going for him. He fuking sucks and our team suffers because of it. Nothing will change until he cleans house or sells the team. Preferably the latter.