Which is part of my point I intentionally left out. Teams need to have good balance throughout the 53 men. We have good WRs that fit our system well. Our WR production is way up over last year and will go up next year. Tanne doesn't need a big physical WR, he needs a line. A line makes the RBs life easier too...less blocking, actual holes to run in.
The Value of Big, Physical Receivers
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Which is part of my point I intentionally left out. Teams need to have good balance throughout the 53 men. We have good WRs that fit our system well. Our WR production is way up over last year and will go up next year. Tanne doesn't need a big physical WR, he needs a line. A line makes the RBs life easier too...less blocking, actual holes to run in.
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Was just telling my buddy the other day about Hoffman. Living here in Utah county i watched BYU alot and hes got talent and size.
Exactly, ask any O-coordinator what he would prefer, and reliable go to receiver who will get huge stats, or a bunch of good receivers where the QB will be able to spread it around, but none will have those huge numbers.
Tannehill will eventually start throwing more comfortably to Wallace, and that will make defenses very nervous, and maybe next year Binns becomes that other receiver along with Wallace/Hartline/Gibson/Matthews/Clay to make even tougher for defenses.
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If I'm the Miami GM, I'm always looking to get better. I like what Miami has at wide receiver, but think what could be if the Dolphins had another option for the redzone. Those big receivers also have a huge catching radius, which means they can get to balls that other receivers can't. In essence, those guys are always open because 6-1 corners can't match up on the high ball. A big, physical guy like an Evans, Coleman or Benjamin (if he declares) could push the Dolphins receivers to near the top of the NFL. In a passing league, that matters.
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there's no doubt this would be great but miami has 4 wrs that the staff trust right now and so i dont see it being a priority this offseason...not to mention big wrs can have issues with separation at the next level and the ability to get off the los...
i just don't see upgrading the wr core in any way given they have 4 they will activate on game day already and like as a priority for them...if anything i think you would see a tight end for the red zone with size...even then i doubt it
i bet they roll with the same 4 wrs and tight ends in 2014 into camp at least
i just don't see upgrading the wr core in any way given they have 4 they will activate on game day already and like as a priority for them...if anything i think you would see a tight end for the red zone with size...even then i doubt it
i bet they roll with the same 4 wrs and tight ends in 2014 into camp at least
A big, physical receiver catches more than half of those deep passes to Wallace this year. We saw Brandon Marshall do it here with regularity, saw him do it in Denver with Orton and he's doing it now with Jay Cutler in Chicago. You don't have to be pinpoint accurate on the deep ball with a receiver like him. Gordon has been doing it all year with the dumpster fire he has at QB...you're not going to tell me the QBs in Cleveland are that good throwing the deep ball. We saw how Matthew Stafford just throws the ball up for grabs to Calvin Johnson...Calvin Johnson should be getting half of Stafford's weekly paycheck. Marshall and Jeffery together made Josh McCown look like a pro bowl QB. A guy who's highest passer rating before this season was 74.9 all of a sudden has a passer rating of 109.0...seriously?
It's real nice when you have a big receiver with the type of catch radius and body control a Brandon Marshall, Calvin Johnson, Josh Gordon, Alshon Jeffery or Andre Johnson have...not to mention the speed to get downfield.
However, I don't think this needs to be a priority in this draft. We have a good WR corp and although Rishard Matthews and Gibson are not tall they are physical receivers and Gibson has a nice catch radius and very good body control...we really miss him. Still would like a tall, physical receiver we can bring along like we've done with Matthews...someone we can grab late in the draft like a L'Damian Washington or Jeffery Janis would be nice.
I get the catch radius part you and a few others have mentioned. That's pretty easy to understand. My point is that a big WR isn't a necessity and doesn't prove too much of a benefit in the W column. Of those guys you mentioned who plays for a team with a better record than us? None of them. I'm just pointing out in my argument that the big WR is more of a fantasy football desire than a football desire...especially in this system.
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Agreed. Although the hallmark of a WCO WR is the ability to get YAC yards, that ain't happening right now.
Actually it's much much more complicated than that. A great receiver is such a complicated combination of traits—agility, body control, strength, quickness, soft hands, physical stamina, concentration, focus, toughness, pride, eye–hand coordination, vision, intelligence, the ability to conceptualize concepts. This isn't video games.
The reason their teams aren't winning have nothing to do with them though...there's no correlation there. Jordy Nelson is a big WR with a huge catch radius that plays in this system. Detroit is 3rd in the league in yards, 11th in scoring, Green Bay is 4th and 9th, Chicago is 8th and 3rd...Cleveland and Houston have been done in by poor QB play...Houston was 12-4 last year in the same offense. I don't think you can say...If you have a big WR you can't win...that's not true. This issues with Detroit is that they're undisciplined...lots of boneheaded penalties and turnovers. Green Bay lost their QB but Dom Capers should have been fired years ago...that defense has too much talent to be playing this bad. Not sure what Chicago's problem is, I haven't seen them play enough to know and we know Houston and Cleveland need a QB.
Like I said, I'm not arguing that it's a priority but it would be nice to have one.
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I think that's likely true given the grave situation on the offensive line and the possible departure of Starks and/or Solai. Late selection, perhaps, but I have to wonder if it could happen early if a talent fell into Miami's lap? I could definitely envision at least two more wins if Miami had a redzone threat. This is where everything bogs down for Miami.
We are actually 10th in red zone scoring percentage TDs only- just behind New England.
possesion guy, speed guy, slot guy, and one, preferably two redzone physical guy that can block downfield for power sweeps. We have Harline(possession), Wallace(Speed), Gibson when healthy(slot). We have no physical redzone tall targets. Clay makes up for some of it with his tenacity/athleticism. I'd like Brandon Coleman or Fiedorowicz in the 3rd round to fill that jump ball spot that Tanny needs inside the 20.