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Thoughts On This Play By Tua - Is The Commentator Right?

It's one play and it is being stated like most Tua bashers as this is what happens every time. Do you know how many times Hill has been under thrown by many QBs? ....and not just Hill. The other thing is after the pump fake, the OL is pushed back into Tua's face and the DL is jumping. Tua can't fully step into or even put the ball on a line.

Typical Monday morning QB BS that explains 20% of the play with zero constructive conversation about what led to the throw. Also being sold as this happens every time. I WILL NOT compare Tua or any other QB to Mahomes......but Hill's numbers with Tua are significantly better. These same haters stated that Hill would not be successful with Tua and they were completely wrong.
Very true, but I personally was just analyzing in a box, the one play.

The footwork does show the fatal flaw in his game relative to his personal arm strength

Can’t really comment on the play because we don’t really know where the safety was so the job is to complete the pass and he did
 
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Oh please, that wouldn't have been a TD even if he hit him in stride, anyone can see the safety right there. Another awesome "fan" breaks it down.
there you go again. tua can never do anything wrong. and you are 100% certain you factually know the answer. okie dokey. at least i admit, i am not certain.
 
Probably underthrown. However, i can hand pick 1 throw from any QB that ever played where the ball was underthrown, overthrown, etc. To try to make a conclusion on how good or bad the QB is based on this one throw is absolutely insane.
yes, potentially, but apparent underthrows on balls downfield have been a recurring theme with him. clearly, not all of his deep balls, but a fair bit, do seem underthrown. combination of arm strength issues, and potentially footwork. above my paygrade.
 
This is quite simple and not complicated. Tua clearly went for "touch" pass to get the sure 1st down. He definitely needed to be aggressive and I sure wish he was more aggressive.
 
Dear Tua,

If you’re reading this, IDGAF if you under throw one bomb every 4-5 games which leads to a 40yd completion instead of a TD. It happens - to ALL QBs.

I just want you to not get concussed and miss 1/4 of the season on normal ass plays all the time.

With love,
Atila
 
This is quite simple and not complicated. Tua clearly went for "touch" pass to get the sure 1st down. He definitely needed to be aggressive and I sure wish he was more aggressive.
He certainly didn't step into that throw. Since everyone insists we study this play like its the Zegruder film; looks to me that he faked a throw short left. Maybe to freeze the safety. Then he needed to quickly let loose. He actually got a lot of arm into that will his body still in line for the 1st fake and no climb into the pocket. For a flat footed throw, that aint bad carry.
 
Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?


Based on the text in the tweet, it's obvious the guy doesn't like Tua, a bit like OP actually.

Yes, the ball was underthrown. Yes, it should have been a touchdown. No, Tua isn't the only QB in history to make a poor throw. Case in point but I guess this one is OK because it was a manly overthrow.

 
Josh Allen bounced a TD pass on Fourth down against Miami to lose the Game a few years ago so Bills should Cut Josh Allen. Just a dumb analyst picking out 1 play to fit his Narrative. All I know is I watch Miami with Tua and Without and it’s not even close to the same team.
 
there you go again. tua can never do anything wrong. and you are 100% certain you factually know the answer. okie dokey. at least i admit, i am not certain.
There you go again. Starting another negative thread about Tua based on something some loser, that no one has ever heard of, on social media said. Everyone on here knows your shtick by now.
 
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Based on the text in the tweet, it's obvious the guy doesn't like Tua, a bit like OP actually.

Yes, the ball was underthrown. Yes, it should have been a touchdown. No, Tua isn't the only QB in history to make a poor throw. Case in point but I guess this one is OK because it was a manly overthrow.


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I am going preface this by stating that while I like Tua, I think he is an average QB and would love to see the Fins go in another direction and draft a new QB next year. Yes, Tua should have led Reek and it most likely would have been a TD. However, picking one play out is a little bit disingenuous as you could pick out those types of plays for every QB. The real question that was raised though: Is this a pattern of him underthrowing wide open receivers?
 
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