Thoughts On This Play By Tua - Is The Commentator Right?

[fansinceGWilson]

Yeah but come on it's not just one throw like this that we've seen from lil tua. It's become a theme and this team deserves better Qb play. We aren't settling for mediocrity.

Some don't recognize this but perfect passes are infrequent. Significantly more than half the time, on long passes, the receiver has to adjust. And EVERY QB throws those passes needing adjustment EVERY game. Is TT as good as the top passers? I doubt it, but one play proves nothing.

 

[danmarino7051]

Tua threw the ball exactly where he wanted and it was the correct spot. He throws it further and it’s either broken up or intercepted.

 

[dunegoon]

He certainly didn't step into that throw. Since everyone insists we study this play like its the Zegruder film; looks to me that he faked a throw short left. Maybe to freeze the safety. Then he needed to quickly let loose. He actually got a lot of arm into that will his body still in line for the 1st fake and no climb into the pocket. For a flat footed throw, that aint bad carry.

Exactly .

 

[gregorygrant83]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

Probably underthrown. However, i can hand pick 1 throw from any QB that ever played where the ball was underthrown, overthrown, etc. To try to make a conclusion on how good or bad the QB is based on this one throw is absolutely insane.

You can find plays from all qbs where a pass was over thrown or under thrown. Or where you can say if he throwns ih here instead of there it's a td. If you have a play like that from a qb, where say Jamar Chase slows a bit and then wins a battle for a jump ball or even gets ran into by the defender for an interference call nobody questions Burrows arm strength. Some people will even go as far as praising Burrow for the pass. I bet I can find plays where Mark Clayton slowed or stopped on some routes and then won a contested jump ball from Marino. I know I can find some from Orande Gadsen. Nobody ever said it was because Marino's arm was lacking.

My thing is that it's often attributed to Tua's arm when plays like the one shown in the example pops up.
However if he throws the ball a bit earlier hits Hill in stride, it might be good for a td and nobody says a thing. There's no questions about arm strength. So is the issue really arm strength or timing between qb and wrs? When you have a qb that leans heavy on timing with smaller wrs and you have wrs that are sometimes late on routes and other times early you're going to have plays that look like the one that's shown.

 

[Virginia99]

Holy f'in sh.t! Are we really going to pick apart one single throw??? That was a long completion at that!!! There are tons throws from the best QBs that are underthrows or not perfect. Tons!

 

[Loyd Christmas]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

Thoughts on this poster. Does he have TDS?

 

[tay0365]

Short video. Turn on the volume and listen to the comments.

I agree with the general notion that making this type of play is what separates the average from the great. This play, poorly executed, still looks really good in the stat sheet, and is good for the QB rating, even though it was a bad play and theoretically left points on the field, and could have cost the team the game. Conceptually, I understand the point.

HOWEVER, is the commentator right? This is what I cannot figure out. Note if you look carefully, there is a safety deep back there. If Tua fully airs the ball out, and leads Tyreek to the point where he doesn't have to stop, and has a clear run to the end zone, is the safety right there to break up the play? Could the ball be driven deeper on more of a line (Josh Allen like throw) to get it there quicker to give the safety no shot? I cannot tell. Then the other issue is it seems there is another receiver, wide open down the middle, also for a big play and a potential TD. But again, I cannot tell if that player was wide open, or only freed up after the ball left Tua's hand and the defense then released in the direction of the throw.

Stats can be misleading. Commentary can be misleading, because often nobody knows who was supposed to be where, and what was meant to happen, and all sorts of other things that are just tough to know. But eventually, you do have a mosaic over time, which I think paints a clearer picture than individual plays often do.

Back to this play, what is the verdict? Good ball, bad ball, unclear?

1. The ball was completed for a big play, putting Miami into the Redzone, and in great shape to score a TD, so there really is no issue, unless looking for one.

2. As you said, there is a safety waiting on top, Tua tries to lead Reek, he might get it, Hill reaches point before Safety, and yes probably scores, but Safety also might get there in time for interception, in time to lay the wood hard on Hill, or in time to bat the ball away for incomplete. Tua went to his most reliable player, and put the ball where only Reek could make the play considering the covering DB was late to reach him. A guaranteed play or take a chance deep Hill gets pass before Safety, and is not killed while making the catch.

3. Tua could have thrown it another place, theoretical other receiver was open, but Hill was just as open, is the most reliable receiver, is the 1st passing option normally as the #1 receiver, and though option 2 does look like at worse the receiver had a step, it was still not as open as Hill was.

4. How is it that Allen can throw so many under thrown passes (Some for incompletes...Watch game again, it's on YouTube), and still nobody has issue with him, but Tua drops it between a trailing corner, and a waiting Safety for a big play, and he's criticized for it.

 

[hoops]

Yes it’s underthrown and it should be 6.

That safety isn’t getting there if it’s out front and leading

Id grade that as a missed opportunity by the qb and i did in that game.

The inside route holds the safety in the middle of the field even though tuas eyes never hold “safety” coverage with the pump fake.

 

[hoops]

The ? should be was it an intentional under throw with the safety on top.

Intentional underthrows aren’t thrown with that much air.

Tua made that decision he was going there pre snap off that coverage. The pump fake was just eye candy.

 

[Gulfstream]

Intentional underthrows aren’t thrown with that much air.

Tua made that decision he was going there pre snap off that coverage. The pump fake was just eye candy.

More then likely it was pre snap and he was throwing to a spot, what he does best.

 

[hoops]

More then likely it was pre snap and he was throwing to a spot, what he does best.

You can’t tell me he’s taught to throw that tight roping the sideline. That balls floating and flowing left of ideal. All the way

 

[Gulfstream]

Yes it’s underthrown and it should be 6.

That safety isn’t getting there if it’s out front and leading

Id grade that as a missed opportunity by the qb and i did in that game.

The inside route holds the safety in the middle of the field even though tuas eyes never hold “safety” coverage with the pump fake.

I don't know if Tua has the arm strength to beat the safety, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. 50/50

 

[hoops]

Games are won and lost on these kinds of things. When you catch a team in a coverage you can exploit for 6 and should you need to execute.

With all that 2 deep man under Miami faces those opportunities are few and far between.

 

[hoops]

I don't know if Tua has the arm strength to beat the safety, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. 50/50

You don’t know if he can throw that out front and leading?

Benefit of the doubt for having an arm too weak for the concept then. Awesome

 

[Gulfstream]

You don’t know if he can throw that out front and leading?

Benefit of the doubt for having an arm too weak for the concept then. Awesome

Not with the velocity to beat the safety, I'm not defending Tua just this throw. Like I said it's 50/50 to me maybe a bit of both, under thrown to a spot avoiding the safety.