To the complaining Know it alls

[snowy]

I am so sick of this line of thinking....how many private workouts have you set up etc....It is a stupid argument.....Ginn at #9 is overpaying according to everyone except our front office so if they know more than everyone else I am pleased as punch.....the last pick of the RB out of Hawaii when we took slowenzo booker already is hard to justify....not when a highly rated TE is on the board and McMike was let go for nothing.....

 

[Canadianfishfan]

For me. .the only disheartening complaints that really bother me are people saying that they want to not be dolphin fans anymore because of all this. Or complain about how 'embarrasing' we are.

I can acknowledge when we suck... i can acknowledge, bad moves poor plays etc...

But NEVER, EVER will I be embrassed or ashamed or even consider changing loyalties.

I may not like the decisions. I can definately understand the passions of all the fans here. Let's be honest, you're not going to spend time on a team messageboard unless you are a fan. And yes.. being a fan means venting, booing, and etc... But to say you arent a fan anymore?... It's either in your blood or it isnt.

I think after everyone has calmed down... they'll go into the closet.. and put their jersey back on... passiong on quinn and all... i walked proudly with my Phin cap on.. yea i got a few comments.. But proud i was.

 

[fishfan34]

Yes - a special teams player. Didn't you here Cam's speech? Did he tout him as a great route runner? No. Did he tout him as a deep threat that will get unleashed as the new #1 WR? No. What he said was, he is a very special punt and kick returner. So I suggest you pay attention before you start telling others that which they do and do not know.

Ginn will be the #4 WR in a 5 WR rotation -that is not what I call good value in the #9 pick.

Also - he wouldn't even get off the line with Madison or Surtain lined up in his face.

Oh yah - what about his route running ability? 3 total and those are all average at best. All the guy is is fast - period. Blazing fast yes, but being a successful WR in the NFL requires more than just speed - can you say Ron Brown?

Now - will he be a threat? On special teams - yes. As a WR, I think it will be easy to defend him? - I see Champ Bailey eating his lunch and charging him for it.

But, he is a Fin, and with the #9 pick, he will command a huge portion of our salary cap. Here's hoping it works out.

I completely disagree. We'll just agree to disagree. He'll be a #1 or #2 WR and he'll be the fastest player on the field most if not all the time. It will be easy to defend him? Well, two first round caliber DB's couldn't cover his jock when they played. As Ross and Hall if he's "EASY TO COVER"? They will be able to explain what his backside looks like to you since that's all they ever saw of the guy. I predict that by the end of next season, we have a situation like New England did years ago. An aging Trent Green gets hurt, Beck comes in for relief and the rest of our QB History for the next 6 or 7 years will be answered. I won't say it will end in a Super Bowl Trophy, but, I believe that will be the beginning of next great QB Era in Dolphins history at last. Beck to Chambers, Hagans, and Ginn will be a common phrase.

 

[fishfan34]

For me. .the only disheartening complaints that really bother me are people saying that they want to not be dolphin fans anymore because of all this. Or complain about how 'embarrasing' we are.

I can acknowledge when we suck... i can acknowledge, bad moves poor plays etc...

But NEVER, EVER will I be embrassed or ashamed or even consider changing loyalties.

I may not like the decisions. I can definately understand the passions of all the fans here. Let's be honest, you're not going to spend time on a team messageboard unless you are a fan. And yes.. being a fan means venting, booing, and etc... But to say you arent a fan anymore?... It's either in your blood or it isnt.

I think after everyone has calmed down... they'll go into the closet.. and put their jersey back on... passiong on quinn and all... i walked proudly with my Phin cap on.. yea i got a few comments.. But proud i was.

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! I couldn't agree with you more. I had my jersey and hat on and I had two Notre Dame Alums tell me, you guys did the right thing passing on Quinn. In their words "If you'd have drafted him, you'd be praying for a new QB by the end of 2008 and cursing your FO for drafting a bust of a QB. We watched EVERY GAME that Quinn ever played, most in person, and he would be your next A.J. Feeley."

 

[finfan54]

complaining? how bout just wondering if he is going to make it through a season.


Fact is, CK and Boomer and Mueller and Cam and all the followers will have to defend this pick for the rest of their days. I predict that Ginn will not be able to make it through a full season, ever. I wonder if he will make it to a game.

I have every right to complain. I am not blind like some.

 

[carjackistan]

People are overreacting. Not only have the players not run a play in the NFL yet, we have a new GM and coach. If this were Wanny making a pick that went against the general consensus, I'd be worried. With a new regime, I am not going to panic...yet.

I do worry about the Ginn pick, because of his health and his lack of polish as a receiver. OTOH, it's not like this is Devin Hester, who couldn't develop enough as a receiver or CB to even crack the starting lineup in college.

What gives me some hope is that Ginn has one talent, speed, where he is unquestionably dominant. He can blow by just about anyone. When was the last time the Dolphins drafted a player who had one talent as special as Ginn's? Even Ronnie Brown, who went second in the draft and is an excellent running back, does not dominate in any single aspect of the game like Ginn does. It won't mean much if Ginn cannot develop in other areas, of course.

 

[ForensicPhin]

...You guys know as much as the next and we all have the right to complain about what we want. So why dont you all keep your comments to yourself, and let people speak out. Geniuses.:D :D

:sidelol:

 

[Agent51]

People are overreacting. Not only have the players not run a play in the NFL yet, we have a new GM and coach. If this were Wanny making a pick that went against the general consensus, I'd be worried. With a new regime, I am not going to panic...yet.

I do worry about the Ginn pick, because of his health and his lack of polish as a receiver. OTOH, it's not like this is Devin Hester, who couldn't develop enough as a receiver or CB to even crack the starting lineup in college.

What gives me some hope is that Ginn has one talent, speed, where he is unquestionably dominant. He can blow by just about anyone. When was the last time the Dolphins drafted a player who had one talent as special as Ginn's? Even Ronnie Brown, who went second in the draft and is an excellent running back, does not dominate in any single aspect of the game like Ginn does. It won't mean much if Ginn cannot develop in other areas, of course.

I'd rather have a WR like Ronnie Brown is at RB, a guy who isn't excellent at any one thing, but is instead good at all the things. With Ginn everyone knows his only asset is his speed so they can plan around that. You get a guy who has similar speed, doesn't have to be AS fast, just fast enough to keep in the proximity, and Ginn is now useless, because when a guy is haning on you, or near you, is when your precise routes and physical play help you get seperation, and he has neither. The only thing a team will have to do is stick their fastest CB on Ginn and they can contain him for the most part.

I've said it a million times already (ever since his name was thrown into the mix of targets in the draft), he is Daunte Hall v2.0. Prolly gonna get some cool highlight kick/punt returns here and there, but he will be noticeably absent in the passing game, save for a couple times he might get matched up with a slow CB and he runs by him. I don't see him having enough big plays, or even impact, at WR to merit the #9 overall pick, and a return specialist NEVER merits the #9 overall pick (you can find those as UDFAs).

I HOPE he proves me 100% wrong though.

 

[Bill C]

I'd rather have a WR like Ronnie Brown is at RB, a guy who isn't excellent at any one thing, but is instead good at all the things. With Ginn everyone knows his only asset is his speed so they can plan around that. You get a guy who has similar speed, doesn't have to be AS fast, just fast enough to keep in the proximity, and Ginn is now useless, because when a guy is haning on you, or near you, is when your precise routes and physical play help you get seperation, and he has neither. The only thing a team will have to do is stick their fastest CB on Ginn and they can contain him for the most part.

I've said it a million times already (ever since his name was thrown into the mix of targets in the draft), he is Daunte Hall v2.0. Prolly gonna get some cool highlight kick/punt returns here and there, but he will be noticeably absent in the passing game, save for a couple times he might get matched up with a slow CB and he runs by him. I don't see him having enough big plays, or even impact, at WR to merit the #9 overall pick, and a return specialist NEVER merits the #9 overall pick (you can find those as UDFAs).

I HOPE he proves me 100% wrong though.

I couldn't agree more with everything said in this post.

 

[fintip]

I was just curious how you managed to set up your private workouts with all the QB's and your interviews to see if they fit the dolphins system and direction the dolphins wanted to go? So how did you do that cause for those of us with the common sense to realize that CAM and Randy know a lot more than us are just curious so maybe next year we can set it up so we know as much as you. Or was it that kmart was having a blue light special on crystal balls this month I must have missed it I was too busy reading the expert mock drafters on here:tantrum: . Wake up people if you know oh so much than why are you posting on a fan page go get paid for your brilliance. Dont say you cant either cause you can there are schools specifically designed to set people up to be scouts and agents and if you were any damn good you would get a J.O.B doing so. But guess what you dont know as much as CAM and Randy so I got a brilliant Idea for you have your opinions fine but dont act like you know more than they do that comment in itself just shows your brilliance. Support your new fins or go find a new team you whiney little cry babies:shakeno:

I understand your frustration bro. I have been saying for some time now that Quinn was a bust and I got crucified on this site for it. Check out my mock draft. I think it is pretty strong compared to most- 8 out of 20 picks, and some of those picks ended up with the team.
I think a lot of fans are not so dispaointed with Ginn but more upset that they appear to look so foolish having touted Quinn so high, and believing, actually stating, that Cameron and Randy would pick Quinn. The display by some of our fans at the practice facility was nothing short of disgusting. Total ignorance.

 

[bigchub22]

Wait so does that mean every single guy sitting at the desk on camera during the ESPN coverage yesterday is a whiny complaining know-it-all too? Mel Kiper, Ron Jaworski, Chris Berman, Keyshawn Johnson, Steve Young, every single one of those guys were JUST as shocked as us fans, and pretty vocal and displeased with it. And they DO have the "J.O.B.S." you speak of.

IDK about everyone else, but most of my anger comes not from passing on Quinn (some of it definately does, but the majority of that is shock not anger) but it comes from passing on Quinn to draft Ginn too high, when he ISN'T a #1 WR in the NFL, and he is STILL only 75%, four months later, and will miss the mini camp already in a few weeks. I think if we passed on Quinn for Landry, or even Willis, or to move down and take a CB or a different WR, people wouldn't be AS outraged. It's part passing on Quinn and part who we took instead.

And to whoever said the people complaining will be the ones cheering when he returns a punt or catches a TD pass, yeah, of COURSE, because we are fans of the team and need to support the team and it's player, no matter how much we disagree. Just because I cheer if Ginn scores a punt return TD doesn't mean I still don't disagree with taking him at #9. We could have found a return specialist in the other 6 rounds, or in UDFA, and there were plenty of WRs in round 2 that we could have taken to compliment Quinn, Sidney Rice for example runs a 4.3something 40, and he DOES run great routes and is effective all over the field, not just on deep stuff.

Also, nobody here ever claimed to know it all. The shock and outrage comes because we were made to believe, by Cam, Randy, the front office, and then all the scouts and experts and analysts, that Quinn was the guy for us. Cam and Randy (mostly Randy) talked about moving up, and Cam talked about Quinn a lot, and our QBs coached raved about him after workign with him in Arizona before the combine, all talks from both inside and outside the organization were about Quinn being our guy if he was there, and even maybe trading up for him, and then he falls right into our laps and we don't have to give up a THING to get him, and we pass. Has nothing to do with us fans thinking we know it all, it has to do with the organization leading us one way and then going the complete opposite way.

BTW, who the hell is going to throw to Ginn? Chris Chambers is a Pro Bowl WR and he couldn't do a thing last year with Culpepper, Harrington, or Lemon, so why is the undersized injured rookie Ginn going to be so special when he has proven NOTHING against NFL DBs?

ALL of those analysts except Keshawn took it all back after they saw our plan and how we took BECK so chew on that fella

 

[Shula Come Back!]

I think everyone he is upset with this is just having flashbacks of Culpepper over Brees! I think Beck will be a fine QB, but I'm not gonna lie...It would have been a lot more exciting to hear Brady Quinn's name called!

 

[FINOMINAL]

I say nobody is going to tell me they know more than the guys who we had working this draft. I’ll bet they were trying everything to move down a few spots, but as we now know nobody wanted Brady Quinn. There was no way Miami could leverage Quinn still being on the board to move down. They pulled the trigger on a guy they liked, who is an instant replacement and upgrade to Wes Welker, plain and simple. It was a need- we lost our kick returner and a decent receiver. Ginn is both in one pick, one salary, two birds with one stone. He’s an upgrade for us, and we need a bunch of them. This draft went pretty perfectly for every need the Fins had. No rookie quarterback was going to solve our problem there- nobody. We will have the same pick, number nine or better next year. This team is a couple of great drafts away from competing with New England, but I like what we are doing so far.

 

[Larry Little]

I was just curious how you managed to set up your private workouts with all the QB's and your interviews to see if they fit the dolphins system and direction the dolphins wanted to go? So how did you do that cause for those of us with the common sense to realize that CAM and Randy know a lot more than us are just curious so maybe next year we can set it up so we know as much as you. Or was it that kmart was having a blue light special on crystal balls this month I must have missed it I was too busy reading the expert mock drafters on here:tantrum: . Wake up people if you know oh so much than why are you posting on a fan page go get paid for your brilliance. Dont say you cant either cause you can there are schools specifically designed to set people up to be scouts and agents and if you were any damn good you would get a J.O.B doing so. But guess what you dont know as much as CAM and Randy so I got a brilliant Idea for you have your opinions fine but dont act like you know more than they do that comment in itself just shows your brilliance. Support your new fins or go find a new team you whiney little cry babies:shakeno:

It is stunning how many draft geniuses there are in the world, ain't it?

 

[Agent51]

ALL of those analysts except Keshawn took it all back after they saw our plan and how we took BECK so chew on that fella

Don't misconstrue the situation "fella", all of those analaysts said we made up for it by taking Beck, but they also still continue to talk about how there was no way we could have known Beck would be there and we got REALLY lucky. Kiper on NFL Live today just talked about how he still can't believe we passed because even if Beck was "our target all along" like they want us to believe, we had o way of knowing he'd be there when we picked again with all of those other teams in front of us who could take a QB.

None of them said Beck was a better pick than Quinn either, they all just said we made up for not taking Quinn by getting a QB in round two, so your counterpoint is moot.

Not to mention the reports came out about us trying to trade up into the first round to take Beck. People here were going to be pissed if we traded up THREE spots to #6 (only giving up our third rounder) to take Brady Quinn, yet they were going to trade up from $40 into the 20s of round 1, which would have take prolly both 2nd rounder and then some, for John friggin' Beck, who nobody really talked about til about two weeks ago, so how pissed would people be then? Would everybody still praise the Beck pick if we traded both seconds to move up and take him in the first?

I will support Beck and Ginn, But Quinn and Jarret/Meachem/Rice/Hill is > than Beck/Ginn