Todd McShay has us taking Marqise Lee @ 19

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

You implied as much b/c in this mock, the o-linemen that are generally considered 1st round values are gone by 19. And what's the alternative to free agents in our situation?

If a the value isn't there, you trade back.
Grab that extra pick, and grab a piece be
it G or T later in first. One way or another,
I spend 2 out of my top 3 picks on the line.

FInside out. If you don't control the trenches,
you lose.

 

[CMD]

If a the value isn't there, you trade back.
Grab that extra pick, and grab a piece be
it G or T later in first. One way or another,
I spend 2 out of my top 3 picks on the line.

FInside out. If you don't control the trenches,
you lose.

The whole case for McShay having us take Lee is because he thinks we won't be able to trade back, so grabbing BPA would definitely be the best thing to do in the situation that you're stuck at 19 without any 1st round Olinemen.

Now, realistically if Lewan, Martin, Ebron, Mosley, Shazier, and Nix were all gone, someone fell. You take the guy that fell if you can't trade back (even though there will definitely be suitors for a trade back if someone fell) and address the Oline in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[GoonBoss]

If we take an OL guy in the 1st round, I'll ****ing.....cut my wrists up...some more...because I like it.....

 

[spiketex]

Todd McShay, like Adam Schefter, also talks to representatives of all teams every day. He has formed his professional opinion about all of the players but because of his profile in the media, he dearly wants to be right about which teams are selecting which players. I don't know about McShay but Schefter is in the really big money and apparently now makes over $2M per annum because the public cannot get enough of his NFL rumors and as such is extremely well rewarded for being accurate. The entire USA can't get enough NFL and the ESPN ratings are terrific and they reward their key guys. Don't be surprised if someone within the Dolphin organization has admitted that Miami has Marquis Lee rated very high on our board. Eg if Lee is hypothetically rated #13 on the Dolphin board and we are selecting at #19, there is a big chance the Lee would be the BPA when we pick. McShay's prediction could be the result of good inside information. It could also be just a well orchestrated smokescreen to disguise who we are seriously after.

 

[CMD]

Todd McShay, like Adam Schefter, also talks to representatives of all teams every day. He has formed his professional opinion about all of the players but because of his profile in the media, he dearly wants to be right about which teams are selecting which players. I don't know about McShay but Schefter is in the really big money and apparently now makes over $2M per annum because the public cannot get enough of his NFL rumors and as such is extremely well rewarded for being accurate. The entire USA can't get enough NFL and the ESPN ratings are terrific and they reward their key guys. Don't be surprised if someone within the Dolphin organization has admitted that Miami has Marquis Lee rated very high on our board. Eg if Lee is hypothetically rated #10 on the Dolphin board and we are selecting at #19, there is a big chance the Lee would be the BPA when we pick. McShay's prediction could be the result of good inside information.

Oh come on, if anybody in our organization said anything to the draft experts, it's all a smokescreen at this point. His whole reasoning for us even taking Lee is because all of our options would've fallen through, Moses, Lewan and Martin were drafted, Mosley was gone, Ebron was selected, and McShay couldn't do trades in his mock draft.

So McShay isn't sitting here saying that we're very high on Lee and that the Dolphins would go crazy if he gets there, he's saying all of our options are gone and since he can't do the obvious trade we would do in this scenario and took a guess as to who he'd pick in this situation. He might as well have said Shazier or XSF, because all he was doing was putting a name in our spot.

 

[Zounds]

It just seems non-sensical, there's gonna be some great value and talent at the position later and we can fix our more glaring needs in the first round or two.

Getting better value for a pick in a late round vs an earlier round doesn't mean you get a better player. Sometimes its just better to pick the better player if its a targeted position, as opposed to looking for a value pick later.

Also, if Wallace or Hartline were to be lost due to injury, its going to be catastrophic for our offense. We need a contingency plan at WR, and I completely understand our FO sniffing around the WR class - and it doesn't appear that they are looking for a #4 or #5 WR, they are looking for a potential long-term starter.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Getting better value for a pick in a late round vs an earlier round doesn't mean you get a better player. Sometimes its just better to pick the better player if its a targeted position, as opposed to looking for a value pick later.

Also, if Wallace or Hartline were to be lost due to injury, its going to be catastrophic for our offense. We need a contingency plan at WR, and I completely understand our FO sniffing around the WR class - and it doesn't appear that they are looking for a #4 or #5 WR, they are looking for a potential long-term starter.

No it doesn't, but it builds a better, more balanced team. WR isn't a targeted position because we're 4-5 players deep. You can get a long-term starter at the position in this draft in round 3, not guaranteed that at our other positions of need. If Branden Albert is lost we replace him with _______. If we lost Tannehill all we have is Moore. I think we should add a guy, just not round 1, don't think it makes sense. I like Rishard Matthews a lot and I think if one of those guys got injured he could step up regardless.

 

[OnDaChainWax]

:stitches:

 

[AL R]

Getting better value for a pick in a late round vs an earlier round doesn't mean you get a better player. Sometimes its just better to pick the better player if its a targeted position, as opposed to looking for a value pick later.

[Also, if Wallace or Hartline were to be lost due to injury, its going to be catastrophic for our offense.[/ We need a contingency plan at WR, and I completely understand our FO sniffing around the WR class - and it doesn't appear that they are looking for a #4 or #5 WR, they are looking for a potential long-term starter.

Think about that comment and let it sink in a bit, yes the offense would struggle mightily to score points

 

[AL R]

No it doesn't, but it builds a better, more balanced team. WR isn't a targeted position because we're 4-5 players deep. You can get a long-term starter at the position in this draft in round 3, not guaranteed that at our other positions of need. If Branden Albert is lost we replace him with _______. If we lost Tannehill all we have is Moore. I think we should add a guy, just not round 1, don't think it makes sense. I like Rishard Matthews a lot and I think if one of those guys got injured he could step up regardless.

Very torn here will we really be able to get a long-term starter impact player round 3? What this really comes down to is how good of a job Hickey can do on draft day. Its possible maybe just numb after what we have gotten from some of the last few drafts

 

[johngarryvo]

great (sarc); small, slow, can't catch in traffic.. it's Fletcher over Brees all over again

 

[FearTheBeard]

Very torn here will we really be able to get a long-term starter impact player round 3? What this really comes down to is how good of a job Hickey can do on draft day. Its possible maybe just numb after what we have gotten from some of the last few drafts

To me with our needs and the value at certain positions I think I'd need to trade down, have those 4 picks in the first 3 rounds to feel comfortable drafting a luxury like WR high. I see must fix positions in the first 4 rounds as RT, G, LB. I don't really consider a LBer in 3 or 4 because then what was the point in Jelani Jenkins...if we were to take a LBer in round 1 and we don't want Fox to start we're pretty well forced to take the top tackle available...you go WR round 1 this year and I doubt we're fixing our LB corpse and I think that's where the fix needs be.

 

[AL R]

To me with our needs and the value at certain positions I think I'd need to trade down, have those 4 picks in the first 3 rounds to feel comfortable drafting a luxury like WR high. I see must fix positions in the first 4 rounds as RT, G, LB. I don't really consider a LBer in 3 or 4 because then what was the point in Jelani Jenkins...if we were to take a LBer in round 1 and we don't want Fox to start we're pretty well forced to take the top tackle available...you go WR round 1 this year and I doubt we're fixing our LB corpse and I think that's where the fix needs be.

:lol2:

What a great description, I assume you spelled it wrong by mistake but it works well! I agree with those needs as well just have to see how things shake on draft day, would like to trade down just not sure we will have a partner, if one of the top OL is still there it will be interesting to see which way we go.

 

[Padfoot]

I have trouble with the idea of picking a player at a position of strength, in the first round and in the deepest class at the position maybe all time. It just seems non-sensical, there's gonna be some great value and talent at the position later and we can fix our more glaring needs in the first round or two.

Like do I see a bigger drop off between:
1. Beckham/Lee/Cooks vs Shazier/Martin/XSF
2. Moncrief/Matthews/Robinson/Latimer vs Bradford/James/?
3. Bryant/Coleman/Richardson vs Smith/Mewhort/T. Turner

If you wanna take a WR the earliest I'd start looking is round 2. Round 2 I think we can get a big body guy, same with round 3 which is what I think we need most.

I disagree that WR is a position of strength. We don't know how Gibson will play after the injury, Matthews has yet to prove he can be a reliable starter, and Hartline spends more time on the ground than standing once he has the ball in his hands.

I do agree though that guys like Lee and Cooks don't look substantially better than Robinson or Adams. I wouldn't mind XSF and Robinson but I also wouldn't mind Beckham and James. Shazier would be a dream, but I remain convinced he will be long gone.

 

[RobertHorry]

Hard to objectively prioritize between the 3. They all look terrific. Robinson could easily be there when we pick in the 2nd round. Marqise Lee looks pretty special. He seems to do it all with a minimum of fuss. He could be a major asset to enhance Tannehill.
USC has a bad track record of producing Offensive pretty boys who looked great at college and then fail in the NFL. (Eg Matt Leinert, Mark buttfumble, Matt Barkley (shown zilch to date), Dwayne Jarrett, Patrick Turner, Robert Woods, Steve Smith (ex Giant not the ex Panther) etc). Even Reggie Bush has been a relative disappointment compared to what was expected. However, one of these days a USC guy is going to smash this, and Marqise Lee could be the man to do it.
Cooks looks a bit like Tavon Austin from last year. Clearly has blazing speed. I have been thinking O-lineman for months because we just have to get at least 2 good ones. However, I maybe wrong in assuming O-line for the top pick. Maybe if an elite WR prospect like Lee or Cooks is there and we take him. I think that Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Matthews are a pretty good WR group. However, the possible addition of one of these guys makes us a pretty scary. Add Lazor's improved game calling and creativity, improved RB with the addition of Knowshon Moreno and better O-line protection for Tannehill and who knows?

Robert Woods has been the opposite of a disappointment thus far.

Cooks is not a good route runner. I would go Beckham -> Lee -> Cooks.