Trade Out Of First Round

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  1. TrinidadDolfan

    TrinidadDolfan 1st Team All-Pro

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    As it stands now, with Tanny and James gone, we may reasonably expect to go into 2020 with picks:
    1
    2
    3,3
    4,4
    5,5
    6
    7,7

    I’m suggesting that we get aggressive for 2020 ammo by trading completely out of round 1 this year. Assuming that we will net us a 2020 1st and 2nd, as well as a 3rd in 2019 (big assumption), our 2020 could look like this:
    1,1
    2,2
    3,3
    4,4
    5,5
    6
    7,7

    It’s time that we get aggressive and build through the draft, and biting the bullet here is what is needed.

    Don’t expect automatically being able to pick up a QB in 2020. I guarantee that if we land pick 8 (for example) in 2020, there will be QB needy teams ready to jump ahead of us to pick their QB.

    We need to secure the dry powder needed for 2020. This is the way
     
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    Dont forget wake got a decent contract too that we havent exactly matched with our bargain bin signings
     
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    Nope. Move back yes but pick a player in the first round and you have him for 5 years under that rookie deal. 2nd round you only have him for 4 years. It is a big difference
     
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    I agree! if there's not a specific player at 13 that the front office is enamored with trading down (several times) would be a good idea.
     
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  5. TrinidadDolfan

    TrinidadDolfan 1st Team All-Pro

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    There might be, but we will never be contenders without a real QB.
     
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    I’m totally fine with this. Considering the qb of our future is not on the current roster, and there likely won’t be a viable option at qb at pick 13, I’d love for us to focus on the defensive line since there’s so much depth at that position this year, and focus on getting our future qb/the OL to protect him in 2020
     
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    I don't disagree, but I'd qualify that. If there is one person Miami wants BADLY, but should be cone by #25, trade down to, say, #23. I'm not in favor of trading out of R1 just because. Even then, it depends on who's available at #13.
     
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    as of right now, we are in need of LOTS of players lol. We need a QB, a 3rd RB, WR, LG, C, RG, RT, DE, DT, #2 CB.

    I don't believe in ever drafting WR or RB in 1st round. Now if we moved back into the 1st round like to pick 25, we could get an extra 2nd next year.

    Lets not forget though, to those of you who say build through the draft, college players don't necessarily pan out all the time. Sometimes signing young, quality FA's is even better.
     
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    The more aggressive you are trying to trade out the more apt you are to cut a bad deal. Let it play out. If there is a good trade partner for good value, ya trade out. However you also have to weigh out the value of who is still on the board at 13. If another Tunsil or Fitz is sitting there, you have to put that into the equation, is passing on a potential pro bowler worth the value of the draft pics gained on a trade out.
     
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    I used to be a fan of trading back and accumulating picks.

    Then I realize over time that if you don't hit on your 1st and 2nd round picks, your team spirals slowly likely a slow flushing toilet.

    Don't get me wrong, you need to hit everywhere in the draft. You need good player development that can make those late round picks and UDFA's turn into excellent values.

    But if you don't hit on your elite picks, your team misses that opportunity to put a true difference maker on the field. You need players who can elevate your scheme, coaching and players around him.

    They don't have to be at premium positions to create uniqueness in your diversity. In fact, a generational or elite caliber talent at any position can change your entire team's chemistry and fortunes.

    So, under valuing your own ability to correctly identify and pick elite talent tends to take away from the true potential of your organization to be elite.

    Even in a rebuild, you need cornerstones.

    Trading out of the 1st to gather picks is same thing as saying Tunsil and Minkah aren't key cogs in our future.

    They are and will be. We need just as many cogs as we do role players. The more you hit on your 1sts, the more weaknesses you conceal and strengths create.

    We need more elite players that we have drafted.
     
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    This draft has more top defensive talent than most, so you stay put and see who falls to you. Only trade back if the BPA guys you really like are gone. Otherwise it's foolish.
     
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    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    Let’s sell both this and next years draft for Tua! /s
     
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    Murray will fall to Miami.
     
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    Bill has not declared for the Draft
     
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    Real QB's are made, that is to say developed, out of draftees.

    The draftees seldom "walk on water" their first year and more often then not get a level of "shell shock" and other physical damage from hits the first few years and never regain their pre-draft form. We have all probably noticed this happen.

    I am going to reference some of the most prominent examples of the last 50 years. QBs to consider who fall into this category are David Carr, Kerry Collins, Gregg Cook, and Chad Pennington just to name a few. You may be aware of others.

    Conclusion: pick the best you can but with the recognition that whoever gets picked will need to grow into the position of an NFL QB. The best example of this is Brady. We are going to have to, in one sense or another, grow our own QB if we want the best results.

    Look at the draft as raw ingredients. If some of the good stuff, like coordination (think accuracy) isn't there you have already limited the results. Get some one who is self confident but doesn't consider himself entitled, or Gods gift to football, strong and tough without being muscle bound in body or mind. Someone who is willing to learn to think like a coach and focused enough to be successful at learning in an environment full of distractions, like South Florida. That would not be a bad start.

    Try evaluating the QB draft candidates by those kind of categories and see what you get. You may be surprised who ends up at the top of your selection list.
     
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