Tua is not that guy

[50 Years a Fan]

Weaver is the problem, certainly not Tua!

Damn right Weaver is the problem, a lot of cursing in that game over coverage and missed tackles agin.

 

[bhmstuff]

I will never, ever, EVER understand the **** that Tua gets from this fanbase. The guy is a model citizen, super talented, and players LOVE playing with him. And, he's freakin' performing at a high, dare I say, elite level. The goalposts are STILL moving for him regularly... I just don't get it.

I love having Tua as the QB. He's a difference maker.

 

[tay0365]

Miami is a top team?!?!

Miami ended up with 11 wins last year, with ridiculous amounts of not just injuries, but out for the season Injuries.

If Tua had not gone down, Miami right now has 8-9 wins and the 5th seed (That's the top wildcard position)...So yes, top team, as in teams already in position to get to the playoffs.

 

[dreamblk]

So do you think any one player in the NFL is able to overcome everyone else on the field single-handedly? When the going gets tough, this team collectively turns in a poor performance. The offensive line doesn't protect the QB well. The wide receivers hardly get any separation. The running backs don't pick up needed yardage and aren't even able to stuff one in the end zone from one yard out. The defensive line doesn't get much pressure on the opposing QB. The defense fails to make tackles, can't stop the opposing running backs, and, worse of all, can't contain the opposing QB or even stop him from running for first downs at will.

In a league where anybody can beat anybody and talent across the league's rosters is relatively close, Tua Tagovailoa has good/great games against who or what? It's not like the opponents he's facing aren't NFL quality. They are worse coached teams, that's what. And when Tua's team doesn't measure up against better opponents, it's that same deficit of coaching working against this team. The same way lesser teams are unprepared to handle Tua and the offense is the same way this unprepared team is a big let down for everyone, including Tua.

Tua never lost a game to Bill Belichick. I knew then he was Elite. You can not beat a Top 5 team with just QB play.

Pat Mahomes is a great quarterback who has a HOF head Coach (Andy Reid), a running game ( Pachenko), a solid defense (Steve Spagnuolo), and a rebuilt O-line per the top draft picks.
TUA would be the MVP hands down if he had what Mahomes had as a team.

 

[clownfish]

I admit, he had a good game, but do you guys honestly believe he can lead us deep in the playoffs? I ain’t talking this year but for years to come. I seen him had good/great games against inferior opponents, but when it comes to needing a win to either get in the playoffs or in the playoffs, I seem him constantly coming up short.

Go back to being a sandwich artist because you obviously know very little about football. Tua is top 5 in the NFL. Deny it all you want. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Fin-Loco]

Say what you want with the defense being trashed. We expected the defense being trash but seeing Tua laughing when you can only muster 3 points in a half just shows that he doesn’t have the killer instinct to lead a team. As you can see, when they are not the first team to score, they fold worse than a lawn chair. No one on this team has any heart. This team as constructed needs to go.

Sure looked the guy yesterday.

 

[ONole1]

The "team" has come up short. That's what usually happens when an inferior team faces a superior team.

The puzzling thing is why you guys want to pin it all the QB?

How many of these "coming up short" games would you claim the Dolphins to have been an equal or superior team across the board? Serious question.

I just recently posted that of the past 11 games the Dolphins have faced a winning team they have surrendered an average of 31 points per game.

I challenge you to tell me which elite QB is going to overcome their defense spotting the opponent so many points. For example, Joe Burrow sure hasn't been able to do it this season. So who else?

The fact is, Tua has played in ONE postseason game in his career. And the team they lost to just happened to end up winning the Super Bowl that season, and has won 3 Super Bowls over the past 5 seasons.

That same team fielded one of the best defenses in the NFL last season, and just so happens to have the consensus best QB in the game 6 years running and arguably one of the best TE's of all time. And they had to play that game in minus weather. So perhaps we can grant a mulligan on that one?

Beyond that, when has Tua blown a BIG game where the Dolphins were undoubtedly on par with or better than their opponent? I mean, you guy act as if Tua is going into these games with a flawless supporting cast.

While they've been very good offensively much of the past 3 seasons, they've also had to deal with a revolving door of backup caliber players all along the offensive line. And that has really been exposed when facing the top tier teams such as Buffalo, Kansas City, Philadelphia, and Baltimore.

Defensively, when have they played at a top tier level over the past few seasons? Because I haven't seen it.

The next time Tua Tagovailoa goes into a BIG game with a top tier opponent with the same caliber of line, rush attack, and top tier defense that, say, Brock Purdy has benefited from his first 2 seasons in the league -- please let me know.

On that note, how good has Purdy and the 49ers looked this season suffering from some of the same injury problems the Dolphins seemingly always have? How have Purdy and the 49ers fared not benefiting from a dominant defense, the best OT in the league, and an MVP dual-threat playmaking running back?

Let's extend the above to Joe Burrow and the Bengals. Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase are producing career seasons, yet the Bengals are 4-8 and unable to beat good teams.

Again I say, when the Dolphins start entering these games on equal or better footing and it's clearly Tua Tagovailoa that's holding them back --- then we'll talk. Until then, this is just a bunch of ridiculous nonsense.

Great post...

The problem is too many people need one person to point the finger at.

Tua isn't perfect, but I'd like to see one QB that is.

This team is not built to play in cold weather. This team is not built to play against physical teams.

McDaniel wanted a team built around speed and that's what Grier did. The problem is that doesn't hold up against more physical teams.

While the OLine played well yesterday, a lot of that is Tua. A good QB that gets the ball out quick makes any line look better. The way this team is constructed is not a winning combination against the more physical teams, especially in the environments.

They need to get more physical at guard, and need a big bodied WR. Yes Smith has kind of taken that role, but I'd still try to bring in a 6'3" type of guy that can do damage over the middle and in the redzone.

Defense just has to upgrade the front 7. Of course they will need two starting safeties next year...


There is work to do, and I'd likw to see it done without Grier, not a McDaniel fan either.

 

[AgentXof12]

Tua isn't perfect, but I'd like to see one QB that is.

I've been thinking about it, and there is at least one guy I think comes incredibly close. It's rather unfortunate, but Tom Brady is a guy who appeared to effect every corner of his teams. There are certain personalities that, when mixed with the exceptional talent, seem to cause every guy on the roster to play seriously.

It's not a bar that the QB has to clear in order to be a Superbowl caliber QB, but it is a basic prerequisite to being one of those HOF legandary QBs. I can't help noticing that Tom Brady just happened to play for lights out teams his whole career. You could get the feeling he could go almost anywhere and that talent around him would just sort of appear if given enough time. He demands that sort of effort, I think.

And we all know some other QBs who don't tolerate bullshit around them.

This is sort of my way of acknowledging there may be a few guys in the league's history who might actually overcome everyone else on the field. They're just incredibly exceptional combinations of talent and personality and not at all someone you can criticize someone else for not being.

 

[Mindtornado]

Malik Washington is that guy.

I wish he hadn’t tried to field that packers punt, but that same mentality is what fielded that kickoff return yesterday

 

[TT1HamoFinFan]

I will never, ever, EVER understand the **** that Tua gets from this fanbase. The guy is a model citizen, super talented, and players LOVE playing with him. And, he's freakin' performing at a high, dare I say, elite level. The goalposts are STILL moving for him regularly... I just don't get it.

I love having Tua as the QB. He's a difference maker.

It’s stupid FIN FANS that wanted Herbert, Watson over Tua that continue to talk to satisfy their hate for him…….

 

[dan the fin]

I've been thinking about it, and there is at least one guy I think comes incredibly close. It's rather unfortunate, but Tom Brady is a guy who appeared to effect every corner of his teams. There are certain personalities that, when mixed with the exceptional talent, seem to cause every guy on the roster to play seriously.

It's not a bar that the QB has to clear in order to be a Superbowl caliber QB, but it is a basic prerequisite to being one of those HOF legandary QBs. I can't help noticing that Tom Brady just happened to play for lights out teams his whole career. You could get the feeling he could go almost anywhere and that talent around him would just sort of appear if given enough time. He demands that sort of effort, I think.

And we all know some other QBs who don't tolerate bullshit around them.

This is sort of my way of acknowledging there may be a few guys in the league's history who might actually overcome everyone else on the field. They're just incredibly exceptional combinations of talent and personality and not at all someone you can criticize someone else for not being.

Ya Brady was amazing. I will say thought that he really wasn't that guy until he was basically late 20s.

What made Brady so amazing is he never ever stopped trying to be better. Every year he worked to improve someone. It was always something, more film, better diets, different workout, ect. He wasn't like a Mahomes out the gate that was this physicality dominant player. Brady had to learn and study even focus on his weaknesses to overcome them. For example early in his career, Brady had good arm strength, not great. What did he do? He studied Dan Marino and he changes up his throwing motion, to a Marino like compact delivery. This was one on the massive changes he did that really mattered. This allowed him two things as a pocket passer to get the ball out faster and for DBs to have less time to react.

I not saying Tua will ever be Brady but I want to see the work put in like Brady and I think Tua is very driven. Now the injuries may have slowed some things down (and are a major concern) but keep working at the little things and make improvements. Also to me Tua is really just entering the prime years of a pocket passer. Pocket passers take a little more time sometimes. They need to keep learning and improving the reads, their anticipation, learning what they can can't do. While a guy like Mahomes when he was younger, his pure athletic skills could bail him him, say he misses the correct read, he can extend plays at a high rate to compensate.

 

[dan the fin]

Miami ended up with 11 wins last year, with ridiculous amounts of not just injuries, but out for the season Injuries.

If Tua had not gone down, Miami right now has 8-9 wins and the 5th seed (That's the top wildcard position)...So yes, top team, as in teams already in position to get to the playoffs.

We are not a top team. No team is ever a top team (top 6 min) with a bottom 1/3 D. There is a reason we fell apart with out Tua. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL, but KC can win when has a poor game, can Miami win if Tua has a poor game? Basically every aspect outside WR, KC is better at football then Miami.

 

[tay0365]

We are not a top team. No team is ever a top team (top 6 min) with a bottom 1/3 D. There is a reason we fell apart with out Tua. Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL, but KC can win when has a poor game, can Miami win if Tua has a poor game? Basically every aspect outside WR, KC is better at football then Miami.

My statement was... WITH Tua, Miami is a top team. I agree with you that Miami can not win if Tua has a bad game, though that rarely happens unless something significant happens to force him to force balls, or have no time at all.

Though something huge has to happen for Tua to have a bad game, like losing huge amounts of key offensive players, unusually bad Weather (Very windy, extremely cold, Rain/Snow storm)...But if those things happen to any other team, extremely few QBs will have a good game, unless they are Running QBs.

 

[dunegoon]

Tua is so damn efficient with:
1:) no run support what so ever
2:) teams play 2 high shell at almost every play
3:) depleted oline
4:) Defense pretty much sabotaged

It's quite impressive. Opposing teams playing us this way banking on the Dolphins making a mistake with so many pass attempts.

Let that sink in.

 

[39wildman]

Tua is saving McDanial and Grier job. If Tua didn't get hurt. The Dolphins would at least be wildcard team. He might win 2 playoff game in his career but Tua is holding Dolphins franchise together to look half way good.