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Tua Tale of the Tape

hoops said:
I’ll disagree on the physical gifts part. His process was special. And he found the right guy to bring it out of him. He didn’t have that in San Diego.

Right marriage of qb and offensive mind basically.

Tua and mcdaniel if the offense is anything like San frans to date under garrop etc it’s fixing to be very qb friendly and you all should expect high level execution from the qb ask. Hell you should demand it. Cause if that’s what we run and we can run the ball anything less is unacceptable. There’s nothing special about that qb ask and Miami should be wary of ever paying it like it is.

A Sean Payton Brees ask now that’s another level. And worth more and much harder to find. No doubt.

But again until Miami even allows us to sniff tuas ceiling from a process stand point all we are gonna end up with is more unanswered questions.

I’ll just have to see how we go about things with tua and mcdaniel this year. I know the first 2 years was very limited pocket read ask and lots of built ins and predetermined primarys even. Basically did nothing to open tbings up and let the qb drive. That may have been driven in oline play issues or or may have been qb driven. Right now it feels like some combo of both. I started getting bad tua vibes late in the year. In terms of his process ceiling and limitations with what you can ask him to do from the position.

If you aren’t building on concepts at the qb position and with the offense something is wrong. Very wrong. The yellow flags are out

There’s also the lack of faith from the head coach in the qb and I get that but still the vibes I get i don’t like
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So accuracy is not a physical talent? If you say is isn't you are stuck in some old school thinking. Take Allen who you say is so physically gifted (and he is in his own right) he will never ever touch Bree's physical ability to throw accurate. Also yes Payton helped Bree's like any good coach helps a QB. Brees was not some chump before Payton as he made a pro bowl in SD. In NO Brees went to another level because Payton designed his routes to fit Bree's strengths. He increased the short (under 10) routes and deep (over 20) routes. I guess we may just disagree on what are physical traits.

I have some break downs that I will try and post later, that relates more to Tua.
 
dan the fin said:
So accuracy is not a physical talent? If you say is isn't you are stuck in some old school thinking. Take Allen who you say is so physically gifted (and he is in his own right) he will never ever touch Bree's physical ability to throw accurate. Also yes Payton helped Bree's like any good coach helps a QB. Brees was not some chump before Payton as he made a pro bowl in SD. In NO Brees went to another level because Payton designed his routes to fit Bree's strengths. He increased the short (under 10) routes and deep (over 20) routes. I guess we may just disagree on what are physical traits.

I have some break downs that I will try and post later, that relates more to Tua.
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We are on the same page I just see accuracy as a trait. I don’t think you teach truly elite accuracy. Tuas college accuracy and ball placement to all fields was the best I’ve ever seen at the college level in terms of consistency. Closest I’ve seen was sam Bradford at Oklahoma
 
dan the fin said:
So accuracy is not a physical talent? If you say is isn't you are stuck in some old school thinking. Take Allen who you say is so physically gifted (and he is in his own right) he will never ever touch Bree's physical ability to throw accurate. Also yes Payton helped Bree's like any good coach helps a QB. Brees was not some chump before Payton as he made a pro bowl in SD. In NO Brees went to another level because Payton designed his routes to fit Bree's strengths. He increased the short (under 10) routes and deep (over 20) routes. I guess we may just disagree on what are physical traits.

I have some break downs that I will try and post later, that relates more to Tua.
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Make sure those break downs aren’t still shots Dan 😂

Also I’m pretty sure that the chargers were moving on from Brees prior to his major shoulder injury. That they were looking to “upgrade”. Pretty sure I recall that they were all in on drafting a qb and I think the target was Philip rivers all along. I seem to recall that. Or at least that they had decided to move on
 
Go look at Miami's all time record in weather 40 degrees or lower,especially during the Marino years...i'll give you a hint...It ain't good....Tua's fault...
 
dunegoon said:
6v3 and they still broke thru... what a disaster that oline was. Who in there right mind can possibly get a proper evaluation after watching this nonsense in front of Tua.
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Easily. I evaluated his tape before he ever took an NFL snap and decided average starter with some good games here and there was his potential.

It's not like there was no tape on the guy or it's impossible to have an evaluation of someone coming into the league.

That said, I hope I'm wrong and Tua is elite this year. He has the tools to succeed now even if he's just above average himself.
 
hoops said:
Make sure those break downs aren’t still shots Dan 😂

Also I’m pretty sure that the chargers were moving on from Brees prior to his major shoulder injury. That they were looking to “upgrade”. Pretty sure I recall that they were all in on drafting a qb and I think the target was Philip rivers all along. I seem to recall that. Or at least that they had decided to move on
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That was a crazy situation back then.

Brees had not show much the first 3 years very very up and down. Now remember the 2004 draft SD had the number 1 pick (Eli Manning), so it was a no brainer at the time. SD even said they liked Brees, but they would be picking Manning #1. Then Archie talked to some people (believe Ryan Leafs dad was one) and then Manning said he would refuse to sign with SD. So now SD had already publicly stated they were drafting a QB. Remember also Rivers wasn't even the #2 ranked QB in that Draft, Big Ben was. Thay wanted Eli, but ended trading pick one to 4 were they settled on Rivers because Marty Schotty coached Rivers in the Senior Bowl and liked him.

Then onto 2004 season Bree's has the breakout year and this was his final year of his rookie deal. SD tried to get an extension but couldn't so they tagged Bree's. They actually then looked into trading Rivers at this point, remember that with Brees on the tag and Rivers#3 pick (no rookie pay scale then), they had top five type QB money on 2 guys. Miami was actually very interested in Rivers and had talks with SD about him. Miami wanted to trade their 2nd rounder+, SD wanted #2 overall for Rivers and one of their first rounder 13 or 28 can't remember. Basically SD want #2 and Miami didn't want to give up 2. On a side note FU Saban had a real chance on 3 different HOF QBs( Rivers/Rodgers/Brees) in a 2 year span and didn't get one of them.

Then at the very end of the 2005 season the injury happened. SD still tried to resign Brees as they offered a 5 year 50 million deal, but a lot was incentive based. Brees declined the deal and SD refused to up their offer. He signed in NO on a 6 year 60 million deal but with more guaranteed money as well.

So basically if they wouldn't have had the #1 pick, they may have stuck with Brees for a year and see. But Manning being there and them basically publicly saying we are going QB put added pressure on SD. Who knows maybe they still pick Rivers. But then they were actually ready to stay with Brees and move Rivers then the injury and the rest is history.
 
dan the fin said:
That was a crazy situation back then.

Brees had not show much the first 3 years very very up and down. Now remember the 2004 draft SD had the number 1 pick (Eli Manning), so it was a no brainer at the time. SD even said they liked Brees, but they would be picking Manning #1. Then Archie talked to some people (believe Ryan Leafs dad was one) and then Manning said he would refuse to sign with SD. So now SD had already publicly stated they were drafting a QB. Remember also Rivers wasn't even the #2 ranked QB in that Draft, Big Ben was. Thay wanted Eli, but ended trading pick one to 4 were they settled on Rivers because Marty Schotty coached Rivers in the Senior Bowl and liked him.

Then onto 2004 season Bree's has the breakout year and this was his final year of his rookie deal. SD tried to get an extension but couldn't so they tagged Bree's. They actually then looked into trading Rivers at this point, remember that with Brees on the tag and Rivers#3 pick (no rookie pay scale then), they had top five type QB money on 2 guys. Miami was actually very interested in Rivers and had talks with SD about him. Miami wanted to trade their 2nd rounder+, SD wanted #2 overall for Rivers and one of their first rounder 13 or 28 can't remember. Basically SD want #2 and Miami didn't want to give up 2. On a side note FU Saban had a real chance on 3 different HOF QBs( Rivers/Rodgers/Brees) in a 2 year span and didn't get one of them.

Then at the very end of the 2005 season the injury happened. SD still tried to resign Brees as they offered a 5 year 50 million deal, but a lot was incentive based. Brees declined the deal and SD refused to up their offer. He signed in NO on a 6 year 60 million deal but with more guaranteed money as well.

So basically if they wouldn't have had the #1 pick, they may have stuck with Brees for a year and see. But Manning being there and them basically publicly saying we are going QB put added pressure on SD. Who knows maybe they still pick Rivers. But then they were actually ready to stay with Brees and move Rivers then the injury and the rest is history.
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Excellent post. You refreshed my memory with a lot of it. Thanks

I do recall that Brees literally couldn’t throw more than if even a tennis ball when New Orleans went all in and Miami got cold feet and chose culpepper. Ouch
 
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