Tua's 12.2 average yards per completion is pretty good.

[Maybe Memories]

Herbert is beginning to look more and more like the guy he replaced. Does very well vs inferior teams, does crappy vs good d's and pads his stats in games where he loses. Fantasy owners unite!

He has beaten some pretty quality teams… but has also struggled against good ones.

Although he has been somewhat inconsistent this year he has also shown how he can perform like a top qb and carry the team.

His team is also… 5-4…

 

[dol-phan007]

This argument about Tua vs Herbert is crazy. Herbert has a stronger arm than Tua, there is no argument there. Having a stronger arm does not make you a better QB. Herbert had more passing yards than Tua last year and this year, no argument there. Those are facts but why does he have better stats? Is it because he is better or does he have a better O-line, recievers, competent coaching and playcalling? Or is it a combination of everything and he looks better because he is in the best situation that he can possibly be in and is Tua in the worst situation that a young QB could be in.

Where I think the argument should be is whether or not Tua is able to show how good or not he is because of the team around him. It's easy to say the great QB put their team on their shoulders and carry them to victory. For all of you claiming how great Watson is and if we had Watson we would be winning, how many games did Watson carry his bad team last year? I am not saying Tua is great and he is better than Herbert or anyone else because we have not had a team around him to get a good evaluation on him. At the same time I'm not going to say that he stinks and Herbert and all of the other QB's are better than him, for all of the same reasons. If you want to argue that he has been injured and not on the field, that is true and it's a concern but I dont care how big you are, if you take a blindside shot in the ribs from a free rusher like Tua did, any QB would be hurt too.

It's easy to say if Herbert was here with this same team around him he would or would not do better than Tua has. No one knows that answer for sure. I dont believe that he would have the same success that he is having right now if he was our QB because he looks average right now with a better team around him.

As of right now Herbert looks like the better QB but if we find out that Tua is better than what we see then who cares. It may be possible that that everyone is arguing over who is better over 2 really good QB's.

 

[tommyp]

Just looked over some of the other qb stats from week 9 and Tua's average completion yardage (12.2 yards per completion) is better than Baker Mayfield, Burrow, and Herbert. Not too bad for a guy with a weak arm that can't throw downfield.

and the big thing is the mayfield, burrow and herbert all have great RB's with the threat of a run game. we don't and won't until we find a LT, move eich to RT, have a healthy dieter at C and let Hunt, Kindley, Jackson and next year picks battle it out for the guards

 

[Yoodakine56]

You are from Hawaii. Sorry i offended the prodigal son. I get it.

Im not sold on tua, does it make me a a hater? Hmmm i guess. Being real about what we have seen makes me a big hater.

Just remember ryan fitzmagic had pretty much the same issues and never failed to to go deep. He was getting his face ripped off while throwing deep. Yup i dont know anything about football.

Ok so judging on that, youre from LA so i can guess you love Herbert since he plays for the Chargers? Remember this, last year Tua was a Rookie so of course their not gonna let Tua be a gunslinger as Fitz was, with an oft injured WR corp, and playbook/coach geared for Fitz as well. Hes been doing it for 17 years!
Now this, Miami has regressed this year on the OL, starting receivers still on the injured list, and never fixed the RB position... and you judge Tua not good throwing deep. Maybe you gotta look at the whole picture

 

[50 Years a Fan]

I guess I'm not being clear. I'm a Tua guy and I desperately want him to succeed and think he will. But comparing his YPA stat to other QB's from different weeks is silly and one of the guys he mentioned actually had a better YPA than Tua.

I'm a Tua guy too, but it is absolutely true comparing YPA with different defenses different play schemes, doesn't make sense to compare.

 

[GRYPHONK]

Herbert is beginning to look more and more like the guy he replaced. Does very well vs inferior teams, does crappy vs good d's and pads his stats in games where he loses. Fantasy owners unite!

My concern with Herbert is I think he came to the NFL hitting his ceiling. There won't be much growth. That is the QB he is.

Not a knock on him. Because the kid is pretty dang good.

 

[NBP81]

Takes them 4.2 seconds, but the ball is thrown well before the 4.2 mark, to get to the target right at 4.2, especially if you don't have a cannon. Heavy in timing...but Tua knows the timing, he's made those plays, albeit relatively very few as a pro. He's nicked up right now, and basically has been all year except the Patriots game.

He throws to these guys (who, by the way, are NOT NFL #1/#2/#3 receivers) all the time, in game, in practice...he may have some trust issues there. We were all excited about his WR corps going into the season...and they just vanished...except for Waddle, and he can't do it alone. It's a different set of targets every week, makes it a bit tougher to build chemistry/trust. He has made throws, some of which very impressive, that have led me to want to see more, including consistency, especially when I take into account his relative short NFL experience, so I'm good with giving him his time to grow.

Injuries have been very concerning this season, but not last season where he wasn't even 100% recovered from the hip...he was basically healthy for those 10 games. The first injury this year, I don't believe contributes to him being called "injury prone." That situation/hit would've injured most. The finger issue...it seems many QBs play through that, and will be a bit less effective, but they play. I don't believe it's a toughness issue, I believe Flo is just being extra cautious. For being in a health status that prevents him from "making all the throws we needed," he made a few nice, longer passes against the Ravens that really helped seal the win.

It all adds up to a less-than-stellar passing game, particularly when you add the OL in the mix, and what could possibly be a stunted vision from the offensive brain-trust. Making it very hard to get a full read on what Tua can do...if he had a cannon, maybe he could mitigate some of those outside limitations, but there's no way to know. He's never had a cannon, and it hasn't held him back, but he's also never been on a team with this many deficiencies and been expected by the fan-base to cure it all himself.

I'm not defending him...I'm simply saying what I see, and I can't see what I need to without more things going right with the team. I don't need a Fort Knox O-line, but I don't need 3 linemen leading the league in allowed pressure either. Sucks to be stuck with this exact same issue for over a decade.

Very nice post!

Tua has an average NFL arm, it is stronger than Drew Brees ever was. Now Tua does need to get into proper mechanics to generate throws QB's with elite "arms" can throw from different platforms. The issues with any QB who has been behind center for us lately is OL protection, no running game, which takes away play action and RPO advantages, receivers in and out of the line up, and bad play calling to name a few. It takes over 3 seconds of protection on a straight drop back and a perfect release by a receiver to complete something even close to 60 yards in the air. We are not getting anywhere near that time to throw. We are getting hit on simple 3 step drop backs consistently, which also does effect what can and can't be called. Until our OL can even approach mediocrity, we are not going to see a lot of deep shots down the field. The big gainers that happen are going to be mostly RAC yards. I agree with a lot of what you said. However there have been a lot of first round QBs drafted lately who have missed significant time already. I think it is more part of the game and luck or lack there of then it is Tua and being injury prone. Also he comes back faster than expected as well, tough kid!

You dont need a strong running game for play action to work... Fins passing game is much much more effecient when under PA than not... And they're 31st in the league in Y/A... Only problem is they dont do it nearly enough.

Although he has been somewhat inconsistent this year he has also shown how he can perform like a top qb and carry the team.

Carry a team to what? Whats the Chargers record when he starts?

 

[Maybe Memories]

Carry a team to what? Whats the Chargers record when he starts?

Team is 5-4 this year. If you talking overall he is 11-13.

He has shown he can take over a game and carry his team. I dont understand what you are confused about? Nobody saying he is TB12… im saying he has potential and has actually lived up to it. Still needs to be consistent.

He has also been available every game… Has he missed a game in his young career? Na thats not important… nvm.

Lol i hate die-hard.

 

[PhinFan1968]

Team is 5-4 this year. If you talking overall he is 11-13.

He has shown he can take over a game and carry his team. I dont understand what you are confused about? Nobody saying he is TB12… im saying he has potential and has actually lived up to it. Still needs to be consistent.

He has also been available every game… Has he missed a game in his young career? Na thats not important… nvm.

Lol i hate die-hard.

5-4 this year doesn't mean a whole lot IMO...its a team stat. He's essentially the same guy he was last year so far, almost identical stats and play. INT % slightly up, but that's splitting hairs.

I would say he's gone past what 99% of the experts thought he'd be in 1.5 years. And that's the issue with hindsight. At best, after Tua's injury, the experts were split on Miami taking Tua or Herbert. Before the injury, it was basically unanimous that Tua was the obvious pick. I'll never say Grier picked the wrong guy, because it was a toss-up, AT THE TIME. NOBODY on this planet expected 2020 Herbert, so to go into the past and adjust it is disingenuous.

Not that its totally pertinent, but I know several San Diego fans that, before the 2020 season, hated Miami for taking Tua ahead of them. Some backtrack on it now, of course, 'cuz hindsight is what it is.

San Diego lucked out, big time. It wasn't like they were the smartest guy in the room taking Herbert, they got leftovers, and it has turned out, so far, VERY nicely for them. Lots of that same example throughout history...its usually more luck than skill. Mahomes, Rodgers, Marino, Brady, Brees' move to New Orleans, Wilson, Warner, etc. What was the last #1 pick QB to actually have a HOF career? Peyton?

If we miss on Tua, then we miss on Tua. Serves us right, to an extent because of how much of a ****-show this franchise has been for a few decades. I can't hold the kid accountable for the dumpster fire that is the Miami Dolphins organization. If we hit on Tua though...we'll be looking fine for several years. Nobody can say they know 100% either way right now, honestly.

 

[MSU_SpartFin]

Pretty high (5th or 6th after a glance) but again it doesn't matter because we're comparing different players on different teams over different weeks.

That didn’t stop people from criticizing Tua by way of comparisons to QBs with much better o-lines, receivers and coaching.

 

[Rev Kev]

5-4 this year doesn't mean a whole lot IMO...its a team stat. He's essentially the same guy he was last year so far, almost identical stats and play. INT % slightly up, but that's splitting hairs.

I would say he's gone past what 99% of the experts thought he'd be in 1.5 years. And that's the issue with hindsight. At best, after Tua's injury, the experts were split on Miami taking Tua or Herbert. Before the injury, it was basically unanimous that Tua was the obvious pick. I'll never say Grier picked the wrong guy, because it was a toss-up, AT THE TIME. NOBODY on this planet expected 2020 Herbert, so to go into the past and adjust it is disingenuous.

Not that its totally pertinent, but I know several San Diego fans that, before the 2020 season, hated Miami for taking Tua ahead of them. Some backtrack on it now, of course, 'cuz hindsight is what it is.

San Diego lucked out, big time. It wasn't like they were the smartest guy in the room taking Herbert, they got leftovers, and it has turned out, so far, VERY nicely for them. Lots of that same example throughout history...its usually more luck than skill. Mahomes, Rodgers, Marino, Brady, Brees' move to New Orleans, Wilson, Warner, etc. What was the last #1 pick QB to actually have a HOF career? Peyton?

If we miss on Tua, then we miss on Tua. Serves us right, to an extent because of how much of a ****-show this franchise has been for a few decades. I can't hold the kid accountable for the dumpster fire that is the Miami Dolphins organization. If we hit on Tua though...we'll be looking fine for several years. Nobody can say they know 100% either way right now, honestly.

Oh he is a hit alright - give him a stud WR to play alongside Waddle and a RB who can both block catch and run inside the tackles

I mean the Oline is just speeding up his game even further probably going to go down as a help not a hindrance

Give him a pocket and he will be sailing it to all three levels into the bread basket

 

[dol-phan007]

Oh he is a hit alright - give him a stud WR to play alongside Waddle and a RB who can both block catch and run inside the tackles

I mean the Oline is just speeding up his game even further probably going to go down as a help not a hindrance

Give him a pocket and he will be sailing it to all three levels into the bread basket

Some people don't understand that. They see someone not being great and they don't look at reasons that contribute to it. Their simple mind can only come to the conclusion that it is him.

 

[Rev Kev]

Some people don't understand that. They see someone not being great and they don't look at reasons that contribute to it. Their simple mind can only come to the conclusion that it is him.

I really don’t care I know what I am looking at - I also knew what I saw in Brees at Purdue as kicked my Nittany Lions asses a round the field

Clearly SD gave up to soon on Brees

Tua doesn’t need the best Oline in the league just a little more time and some consistency and he will figure it out - some consistency in the receiving core wouldn’t hurt either lol

 

[KingHydra]

Tua, is not an impressive QB. Will he be? Not sure but what I see so far is not encouraging.