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Tua's throwing power while on the move

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Like so many of you have done the last few days, I've been listening to lots of analysis of the Dolphins organization and players. I can't remember which analyst aid this, but I found the following to be pretty accurate: (something to the effect of) Tua's throwing power is fine when he has time to set his feet and plant. But when he's on the move and has to rely on raw arm strength, he isn't able to generate much on his throws. Now most QBs (unless you're talking about Kyler Murray or Josh Allen) don't throw as well while on the move. But the difference in Tua's throws while on the move has been noticeable. Tua has obviously worked his ass off to get stronger during the offseason, but has he maxed out his raw arm strength? I pray to God that next year Tua will have a GOOD offensive line to play behind. But even with the best o-lines, pass protection will break down from time to time and he's going to have to make throws in less than ideal pockets and on the move. And playing in the AFC East, all three of your division opponents call the northeast home and weather conditions there can be atrocious, making a strong-armed QB necessary.

This isn't a "Bash Tua Thread". I was praying for us to draft Tua back in 2020. love Tua's attitude, work ethic, and intelligence, and I'm praying for him to be the answer for us at QB. What he has done to come back from a devastating injury is absolutely amazing. I was so confident in him going into the season, as I was in Coach Flores. But the way this season unfolded has turned my faith inside out and now I'm questioning everything and everyone.
 
You tell me... And thats before the offseason you speak of where he got stronger... 0:23, 1:11. Thats just the obvious ones I remember, not lasers at all but nothing concerning either imo.

 
I said this in a previous post he showed more torque with bad ribs than he did without.
 
Tua just lost to the 0 - 20 Jags...a team who has given 320 yards to Teddy Bridgewater, 316 yards to Kyler Murray, 348 yards to Joe Burrow, 197 to Tannehill, and 329 to Tua

Let that sink in...

Is that an average day at the office for a starting QB who WINSSSS vs the Jags?
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
Tua just lost to the 0 - 20 Jags...a team who has given 320 yards to Teddy Bridgewater, 316 yards to Kyler Murray, 348 yards to Joe Burrow, 197 to Tannehill, and 329 to Tua

Let that sink in...

Is that an average day at the office for a starting QB who WINSSSS vs the Jags?
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Tua lost? You sure it wasn’t Flores and some idiotic clock management/playcalling?

Last time I checked the only mistake Tua made was that INT which resulted in 0 points for Jax.

Hysterical how last year it was all Flores and his Defense when we were winning…now when we lose, it’s “Tua lost”
 
NYFINest said:
Tua lost? You sure it wasn’t Flores and some idiotic clock management/playcalling?

Last time I checked the only mistake Tua made was that INT which resulted in 0 points for Jax.

Hysterical how last year it was all Flores and his Defense when we were winning…now when we lose, it’s “Tua lost”
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Don’t explain things to crayon eaters.
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
Tua just lost to the 0 - 20 Jags...a team who has given 320 yards to Teddy Bridgewater, 316 yards to Kyler Murray, 348 yards to Joe Burrow, 197 to Tannehill, and 329 to Tua

Let that sink in...

Is that an average day at the office for a starting QB who WINSSSS vs the Jags?
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Can't pin that loss on Tua, though. I think how that game transpired, you're got to put in on the coaching staff.

Tua was 33 of 47 with 329 yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception. That's a good day at the office for any quarterback.
 
I think one of the biggest things not being discussed is how bad Gaskin and Ahmed were in the passing game Sunday. They dropped or juggled almost every pass that was thrown to them. It cost is big. When you’re down WR’s those guys need to make those plays. To me those guys are one of the biggest reasons we lost.
 
Yes. He's had problems outside of the pocket since his days at Alabama. If he has to scramble against his body, he's cooked. Even when he scrambles with his body, his throws are still poor. That recent play in Jacksonville was a stark reminder. He had the whole field ahead of him for an easy first down with his legs, but he decided to throw it. That's fine. Makes sense. The receiver was WIDE open, but Tua just completely missed the pass. That shouldn't happen on a throw so easy.

In 2020, it is Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa, and it's worse than it was with either Rosen or Haskins.

  • Beyond first read: -48.7%
  • Out of pocket: -63.6%
  • Adjusted platform: -35.2%
  • Move platform: -11.7%
  • Pressured: -22.4%
  • Into tight window: -2.1%
Tagovailoa played a decent part of the 2019 season on a high-ankle sprain — his second in the past two years. He was, at best, banged up. This season was not the best we've seen of Tagovailoa, and it was still pretty doggone good.

It's also important to note Tagovailoa did not suffer from small sample sizes; 20.8% of his attempts went beyond his first read, which is the second-best number in this class, and 14.5% of his attempts went into tight windows, which is second-worst. It’s still well within a reasonable amount of passes from which to draw conclusions, and that was his best category.

With Rosen, Haskins and now Tagovailoa, we have a mold of pocket passer. They win when everything is clean and may even have the ability to react to some stimuli like pressure or progressions. However, across the board, they struggle mightily when things get messy and that throws their NFL projection into question.
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But if there were one it would likely be set at 2.5 seconds. Last season, when the Alabama junior threw the ball before that time limit expired, he connected on 77.9 percent of the 199 passes he attempted while producing 22 touchdowns and only two interceptions, according to ProFootballFocus.com. Conversely, when he remained in possession of the ball past that point, his productivity dropped. Even though he attempted 41 fewer passes when he exhausted more than 2.5 seconds in the pocket, his number of picks doubled and his completion rate plummeted 20.9 percent as his touchdown total dipped by a nominal amount.
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For Alabama QB Tua Tagovailoa, stats show the less time he has the better

Last season, Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa had a far higher success rate when he unleashed the ball in less than 2.5 seconds than when he exceeded that time limit before attempting a pass.
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NYFINest said:
Tua lost? You sure it wasn’t Flores and some idiotic clock management/playcalling?

Last time I checked the only mistake Tua made was that INT which resulted in 0 points for Jax.

Hysterical how last year it was all Flores and his Defense when we were winning…now when we lose, it’s “Tua lost”
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Not so fast...

When Tua was winning with much worse performances, each and every one of you "supporters" were claiming he's the greatest thing since the discovery of fire.

Now that he's had a good game, but was directly involved in a loss that has cemented US as the worse team in the NFL...stats and performance suddenly mean something.

You circle-jerkers can't have it both ways.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Can't pin that loss on Tua, though. I think how that game transpired, you're got to put in on the coaching staff.

Tua was 33 of 47 with 329 yards, 2 touchdowns and 1 interception. That's a good day at the office for any quarterback.
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Who do we pin the wins on when Tua plays?
 
His arm looked stronger last weekend than at any point this season. Maybe it was just that he wasn't constantly being harassed.

Is it supposed to be news that a guy has less throwing power on the move? That's just the way things work.
 
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