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from a competitive standpoint, it's the worst..and it's not close.
UPDATE: Stadium proposal APPROVED/Ross will sign a 30 year lease with Miami-Dade
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There haven't been many opportunities for big Dolphin games to be played at JRS in the last decade, but when there have been . . . .the place was deafening.
We can fault stadium design all day, but the #1 contributing factor to the lack of love for JRS is the fact that the Dolphins have just been plain ****ty over the last 12 years, dropping fan attendance. If this were a Super Bowl challenging team, people wouldn't make AS big of a deal about the stadium and the place would be packed. . . . but we are fans, are job is to naturally deflect from what the real problem is, and that is the product on the field.
I always love the "it should be more like the Orange Bowl comparisons" . . . yes the OB was a definite noisemaker, but man was it a ****ty facility, with ****ty bathrooms and ****ty parking options and ****ty traffic . . . but the Dolphins were winning back then so it made that little stuff a non issue in the end.
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I'm honestly don't know what is really that wrong with it currently to begin with. I think its in a pretty good location and other than the seats (which are certainly showing their age) / lack of roof (been soaked twice in past year :/), I can't find anything wrong with it. Maybe larger bathrooms and concession area? Even with those noted, I don't see those as huge negatives that would prevent me from going to game.
dlockz
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The big negative is the insane price for parking for no damn reason
The stadium definitely could use some TLC, the paint is peeling all over that place, the seats are just meh and it just isn't up to the standard of these "world class" new facilities. The NFL wants to be able to charge a maximum price, for a maximum experience at an elite sporting venue. This is all a money issue in the end. It becomes increasingly difficult to charge $100+ per ticket in a stadium that isn't up to part with the rest of the league with a losing team to boot.
Me personally, we could play at Lockhart stadium for all I care (5 minutes from my house lol) as long as they serve cold beer and the Fins are winning it makes no difference. Sure the HDTV screens are nice and it would be nice to sit in a comfortable dome stadium where I won't have to worry about rain and the heat won't scorch me . . . but winning is all that matters in the end . . . and you know what, conditions like rain, heat, etc. lead to better memories in the end. 20 years from now you could be like "Man I remember that September 2014 game at JRS where Tannehill threw for 7 TDs and we won 51-48 . . . it was like 100 degrees and then it rained like **** but it was the greatest thing I ever watched".
I hate what sports in this country has become. They aren't doing this for the benefit of the "hardcore" fan. We'll watch our team anywhere . . . this is for the fans that aren't necessarily "hardcore" but can afford to pay a top dollar to watch the Dolphins and the decision to spend that money can be made easier if the stadium was built for comfort. WIFI for the wife to catch up on facebook, Kids can bring their tablets to keep them occupied, shopping and restaurants, etc. It has become less about the game and more about the experience. They want people to say "Damn the Dolphins are a ****ty team, but I had a blast at the stadium".
News Flash, I'm never happy when the Dolphins lose, and all of these "perks" won't change that.
roy_miami
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If somebody loses a court case they like the appeals process and if the win their court case they don't like the appeals process, I don't think that makes them dishonest. Ross wanted to win, and win the easiest way possible. Plain and simple.
Actually according to Fancostexperience.com 12/2013 team marketing report, while you're correct in general, as it pertains to the Fins, their parking costs run $5.50 less than the league average. Just imagine how the fans in the fancy new stadium in Dallas feel about exorbitant parking fees, or Washington and Chicago fans also among others. For that matter, the entire fins experience-related costs run $50 less than the league average, so regardless of what one thinks of the stadium, there's no denying it's one of the better bargains in the league.
http://www.fancostexperience.com/pages/fcx/blog_pdfs/entry0000025_pdf002.pdf
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that is your opinion and you are entitled to it..my take is based in logistics relative to crowd noise relative to adrenaline, emotion, culture relative to performance and fan behavior, all relative to competitive balance, all of it matters in the win column and the deterioration of two football cultures.
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Would a winning team pack the house?, of course..would the stadium eventually spoil the momentum, yes..
Players cannot just play for each other or themselves..the venue is always the spoiler here, it creates a passive energy, passive energy is cancer for a football team.
Players cannot just play for each other or themselves..the venue is always the spoiler here, it creates a passive energy, passive energy is cancer for a football team.
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agree with all of that, it's why this regime should think about building a new stadium that both programs could play at, a new stadium could be built for far less if the right intention is built into the blueprint..
Our suits are more interested in tech and fluff when in fact more money could be made by building a stadium with you in mind, which would eliminate a lot of the costs without eliminating the experience of what a true 12 th man could create.
Believe it or not, the NFL is very interested in smaller more intimate venues, and that's because they have seen the blueprints results, look to the northwest.
I don't deny that those things play factors in the eventual outcome of home games, however I think the overall greater picture is that South Florida fans in general are a fair weather fickle bunch, and there is no greater factor than putting a solid team out on the field that will run emotions at their highest levels for home games. I wen't to several games for the Marlins in 1997/2003, both midseason and playoffs. Mid season there were nice crowds, stadium wasn't full but it was a good vibe . . . when the playoffs came and you had 65,000 fans screaming their minds out, I mean there was literally no equal to that . . . YES, it was louder than Orange Bowl games that I had been to . . . and truthfully, that stadium back then, is no different from the one we have now.
You are right, if you are going to renovate this stadium, you do need to have some vision while doing it. $400 million dollars should buy enough vision, in theory, to do the things that are most important . . . which should all revolve around making the team even better when playing at home.
However I feel the vision is more towards an "entertainment" perspective, in how to make the fans more comfortable, and I don't necessarily agree that will ultimately be in the best interest of the team gaining more advantages at home.
Stephen Ross will get the blame in the end if this thing flops, but it's the vision of the NFL as a whole . . . it's all about the experience, and less about the result. You see it in Fantasy Football all the time . . . "Dolphins lost by 20, but atleast Player X on the winning team scored 2 touchdowns for me" . . . the result of the game is slowly becoming more and more meaningless in the eyes of the NFL.
Yes, I would love a NEW stadium over a Refurbished one, yes I feel this stadium needs change, but it definitely isn't the primary reason for the deterioration of 2 football powerhouses. I will never buy that reasoning. Not when we draft like ****, make bonehead free agency moves early in the last decade, no foresight at the QB position . . . and in the case of the Canes, just an overall movement towards the bigger schools in Florida, with nicer campuses and better coaching.
It's all our opinions and this subject definitely can bring out many angles in regards to past/present/future of the Miami Dolphins.
dlockz
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No matter how one looks at it Im somewhat proud that the city of Miami has learned from their colossal mistake with the Marlins. The public bilking from sports teams has got to stop.
Public spending on Sports stadiums is almost always a losing investment in the long run esp when your funding one of the most successful businesses out there. The pure fabrications on the positive affect financially for cities from spending this money is beyond ludicrous.
There is very little evidence that this spending has any major impact economically on these cities. Even Super Bowls which the NFL comes to some ridiculous amount of impact at a half a billion usually only have about a tenth of impact that the NFL promises at best.
I think that this plan may be the fairest considering the climate
Public spending on Sports stadiums is almost always a losing investment in the long run esp when your funding one of the most successful businesses out there. The pure fabrications on the positive affect financially for cities from spending this money is beyond ludicrous.
There is very little evidence that this spending has any major impact economically on these cities. Even Super Bowls which the NFL comes to some ridiculous amount of impact at a half a billion usually only have about a tenth of impact that the NFL promises at best.
I think that this plan may be the fairest considering the climate
dlockz
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he was dishonest at every turn on this. originally he didn't want it to go to a vote, then when forced he relented and let it go to a vote. After no vote was possible because he couldn't get his bill voted on he then went on a dishonest tirade about the public not being allowed to have its say.
I mean the pure definition of honesty is speaking the truth. Now this time around there was no public vote, which in reality was what he wanted in the first place.
Realistically speaking, the idea of a new stadium was not in the cards. It just wasn't because there was no way you were going to get the public to A. Utilize funds for a new stadium and B. Agree on a proper location in South Florida that would fit in logistically. The ONLY way to get a NEW stadium was to blow up JRS and build on those same grounds, but there wasn't a proper venue anywhere to host Dolphins football in the process (plus everything that would go into making that happen).
This needed to happen before the first lipstick application, before the OB was blown up and before the Marlins debacle. I still think Ross should have put feelers out there to other counties within the area . . . just to see what it would take but then again he's sitting on land/stadium already . . . it just wouldn't make much sense to abandon it.