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Very good article by silver

Very good indeed .... I'm sensing that little by little, some of the same points Silver made are being realized by some of the media.
 
There is some truth to that. But in todays day and age, the NFL, which has gone so far out of its way to squash things like concussion concerns and bounties and the like, will end up having the final word on all of this. And they will Cover their asses hardcore. By law(like it or not) they have to create safe work environments, and the law won't care if your talking an office headquarters cubicle or the locker room itself. I'm guessing the end result of all this will be an extensive no hazing, equal rights, non-aggression edict from the league office. By this time next year, this stuff will all be expressly forbidden by the league. They will ensure that the league is protected from lawsuits.

NCFINFAN13 said:
Very good indeed .... I'm sensing that little by little, some of the same points Silver made are being realized by some of the media.
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I'm sensing the Dolphins organization is going to be scapegoated for a leaguewide problem, that the PC public has a problem with. Just like the Saints were.

And Goodell's sniveling PR obsessing ass will give the public what it wants, the Dolphins on a platter.

This is unfortunate, and completely unfair. But the longer this goes on the more I see the writing on the wall.

Jonathan Martin or his family, whoever is pushing this thing, is what is wrong with our country as a whole.

Where people feel like they're soooo special, that their individual problems must not be their fault but rather a systemic failure. They're the dumb woman who spilled coffee on her lap and sued McDonalds because she got burned, and since the cup wasn't labled hot she got paid. I'm losing my faith in this country by the day.
 
Its pretty apparent that if the NFL and individual teams condone/allow this type behavior and language in the locker room than that is what they will get. If people who know better don't set higher expectations from their employees nobody should be surprised when stuff like this whole fiasco happen. Nobody should have to work in this type of environment, I wouldn't want to work with or hang out with people that act and talk this way. These guys need to grow up and act like adults.
 
phishxhead said:
Its pretty apparent that if the NFL and individual teams condone/allow this type behavior and language in the locker room than that is what they will get. If people who know better don't set higher expectations from their employees nobody should be surprised when stuff like this whole fiasco happen. Nobody should have to work in this type of environment, I wouldn't want to work with or hang out with people that act and talk this way. These guys need to grow up and act like adults.
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Maybe Martin should have acted like an adult, like most MEN have to in other parts of society.

The NFL isn't about societal norms. And it shouldn't be. Leave the locker room alone. Martin couldn't handle it, he refused to talk to his player rep, and his agent spoke up AFTER he left the team. At some time, individual responsibility should take place. A village can prop you up, but only a individual can take the steps to be a man.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
The NFL isn't about societal norms. And it shouldn't be. Leave the locker room alone.
Wrong. Why shouldn't there be some level of professionalism expected of profession football players being paid millions of dollars playing for a billion dollar entity? Because they were born in a ghetto? Please, time to grow up fellas and quit making excuses.
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DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
Maybe Martin should have acted like an adult, like most MEN have to in other parts of society.
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You are a confused individual, you demand Martin act like men in other parts of society, but excuse the foul mouthed neanderthal hoods in the locker room and give them a pass for NOT acting like men in the rest of society. Which is it? :rolleyes2:
 
phishxhead said:
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
The NFL isn't about societal norms. And it shouldn't be. Leave the locker room alone.
Wrong. Why shouldn't there be some level of professionalism expected of profession football players being paid millions of dollars playing for a billion dollar entity? Because they were born in a ghetto? Please, time to grow up fellas and quit making excuses.
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This is the progressive thought spouted by the left. Its not excuses, it logic. Being around Union workers, I wish they would grow up. But I don't think that is gonna happen any time soon. And they are a billion dollar entity.

And the term fellas, is reserved for friends. You would be the last person I would want to be around. I like being around friends who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty.

The NFL isn't for everybody. Its not for the meek. You don't get the participation award in the NFL. They don't grade you with a purple marker to not hurt your feelings with a red marker. Bully and NFL don't belong in the same sentence. And if you think so, the NFL isn't for you. And something says, you would have never been able to handle to rigors of a NFL locker room.
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phishxhead said:
You are a confused individual, you demand Martin act like men in other parts of society, but excuse the foul mouthed neanderthal hoods in the locker room and give them a pass for NOT acting like men in the rest of society. Which is it? :rolleyes2:
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I wish progressive thought said this more to their black voter base. It says alot about your beliefs of the hood. Which is dominated by the black male.

I am not a confused individual. I'm very firm in my beliefs and don't waver to group thought. You bobble heads are looking to neuter todays male on every front.

In the NFL locker room, they have their own rules. They are a brother hood that have their own rules. You may not like those rules, but you don't matter. Neither should the PC crowd at MSNBC and CNN along with ESPN. A for being a man, I thought that might be a universal thought. But I guess, some men think the Oprah route is best. I have been corrected. And thank you for not sounding racist in your thoughts.:ponder:


[video=youtube;GJA5sO8MqYw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJA5sO8MqYw[/video]

Oprahs calling, better run to her and tell her how mean people are. And the enlightened need to work harder.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
I am not a confused individual. I'm very firm in my beliefs and don't waver to group thought. You bobble heads are looking to neuter todays male on every front.
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Yes you are. Demanding men act professional and not like illiterate criminals is not 'neutering them' it is demanding they actually start behaving like men and not boys.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
I wish progressive thought said this more to their black voter base. It says alot about your beliefs of the hood. Which is dominated by the black male.

I am not a confused individual. I'm very firm in my beliefs and don't waver to group thought. You bobble heads are looking to neuter todays male on every front.

In the NFL locker room, they have their own rules. They are a brother hood that have their own rules. You may not like those rules, but you don't matter. Neither should the PC crowd at MSNBC and CNN along with ESPN. A for being a man, I thought that might be a universal thought. But I guess, some men think the Oprah route is best. I have been corrected. And thank you for not sounding racist in your thoughts.:ponder:


[video=youtube;GJA5sO8MqYw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJA5sO8MqYw[/video]

Oprahs calling, better run to her and tell her how mean people are. And the enlightened need to work harder.
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Might wanna take 'Fight Club' outta the DVD player every now and then... Just What are you afraid of???? All of this... All of it... Just reeks of fear... Who is threatening your way of life exactly??? Why are you feeling so oppressed... Under attack??? Is it Oprah???? It's gotta be Oprah...
 
phishxhead said:
You are a confused individual, you demand Martin act like men in other parts of society, but excuse the foul mouthed neanderthal hoods in the locker room and give them a pass for NOT acting like men in the rest of society. Which is it? :rolleyes2:
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Whose to say Martin didn't make jokes in the locker room about other people. You Should be interested to see if Martin threw any stones before you rush to judgement on this situation.

We know:

1. Martin voted cog to the leadership council this year. Why would Martin vote for someone that tormented him? Remember incognitos sign on his locker: "I hate two things: taxes and rookies". Martin voted for incognito after his rookie season

2. Martin shared the text messages and voicemails with other teammates laughing and joking about them. One way or the other here buddy. You can't laugh and joke about the comments one day and then 6 months down the road say they drove you to the brink of mental collapse.

3. At the end of the voicemail Cog said he was joking and to give him a call back. Further evidence incognito was not trying to bully.

4. Martin made a choice to sit next to incognito on team flights. Why would he choose to sit next to his bully?

5. Incognito and Martin went to Miami heat games together. Again...hanging out with your bully after hours?

6. All eye witnesses are singing the same tune. Incognito picked on Martin like a little brother however the two were friends. I am going to believe the folks who actually heard and saw what's going on rather than the media and everyone else's speculation

Love how Martin defenders will say he was just trying to fit in when all the evidence to the contrary suggests Martin and incognito were really friends.

Incognito said some mean nasty things. Yes we all get that. My friends and I say mean nasty things to each other on a daily basis as long as women and children are not around. This is playful banter.. Which if recorded and played back through the media would sound horrendous.
 
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