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Volian: Phins might make move for mario williams, robert mathis, avril

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Ultimately, expect the Dolphins to make a big move at defensive end this offseason, whether it’s drafting someone like UNC’s Quinton Coples with the eighth/ninth pick in the draft or signing a top free agent, which may include premier pass rushers like Houston’s Mario Williams, Detroit’s Cliff Avril and Indianapolis’ Robert Mathis.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...-do-the-miami-dolphins-look-in-a-4-3-defense/

Williams will be unrestricted if the Texans are unable to re-sign him. Williams’ original six-year, $54 million contract expires in March. The Texans aren’t likely to franchise him because he would cost them $22.9 million. He made $18 million this season.
The Texans can’t afford to carry Williams at $22.9 million for one year. They can’t trade him because you can’t trade a player who’s not under contract.
They could franchise him and hope he’d agree later to a long-term deal, but he’d be holding all the cards knowing they couldn’t keep him at $22.9 million.
Williams wants to stay, but once he’s on the open market, a team with a lot of cap space and an owner willing to spend millions might offer agent Ben Dogra $40 million to $50 million for him.
But before we count Williams as gone, remember that Smith, coach Gary Kubiak and owner Bob McNair have said they want to re-sign him. But they have only so much they can offer.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/mcclain-tough-decisions-await-texans/

Imagine this:

DE-Mario Williams
DT-Jared Odrick
DT-Randy Starks
DE-Cam Wake

OLB-Kevin Burnett
MLB-Karlos Dansby
OLB-Bruce Irvin-2nd round draft pick from West Virginia 6-2, 245

CB-Vontae Davis
FS-Reggie Nelson-FA, worked with Coyle
SS-Yeremiah Bell
CB-Sean Smith
 
i dont see us getting williams. I think we resign langford for way cheaper and keep him. He is younger and williams got injuried this last season. That on top of the fact that we get rid of bell i think. Besides that the D looks ok to me.
 
I'd be in favor of any of those guys. We know Mathis & Mario's track records, but one is aging and the other will want big money and is coming off a big injury. I'd personally take a long look at Avril (wasn't it rumored a season or two ago we might try to trade for him?) Plus he's just starting to get his career going. I still favor the 3-4, but I think Avril would be able to play linebacker decently. He's roughly the same size as Wake.

I do like the thought of Reggie Nelson coming in with Coyle. I'd get rid of Bell for money reasons and let Reshad Jones take over at SS. Battle between Nelson/Clemons and draft someone too
 
PlexGod said:
i dont see us getting williams. I think we resign langford for way cheaper and keep him. He is younger and williams got injuried this last season. That on top of the fact that we get rid of bell i think. Besides that the D looks ok to me.
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Langford is a terrible fit for a 4-3. He'd have to move to tackle and Miami doesn't have a huge need there. I doubt Laagford is resigned
 
let langford walkk, he makes no plays at all, if we cant afford williams then bring in robert mathis, he is only 30 and has probably 3-4 good years left and will come much cheaper, we need playmakers, we need guys who can get after the QB, look at the giants they have 6-7 guys that absolutely harass the QB, JPP had 16.5 sacks, tollefson had 5, tuck had 5, osi had 9, canty had 4, kiwanuka 3.5, if were switching to a 4-3 we need DE's who can get after the QB, mathis had 9 sacks last year, the best way to stop a passing offense is to get after the qb, unless langford switches to DT then fine, but I say let em walk!
 
I would love to get Mario Williams here, but I think he is going to be a little too expensive. Alabama's linebacker Courtney Upshaw would be an awesome pass rusher if we move to the 4-3.
 
Williams is too expensive. If Ireland is worth his paycheck, he should be able to find another edge hybrid pass rusher ala Jason Taylor type, in the middle rounds. The quick first step and speed are key.
We will need a true MLB. Dansby and Burnett are more cut out to play OLB.
If we can sign Flynn, draft Clarbourne, Burflict, and an hybrid (JT replacement) edge rusher, I would be very happy with this draft
 
I have said this in at least two other threads. Resign Langford and make him drop his weight to around 270 while improving his speed. Give him a chance to show if he can play DE. Who knows he may turn out to be a good one.
 
Mathis is one of the reasons the Colts defense was awful against the run...well the defense was just plain awful but he was part of the reasons. Good example of a 245 lbs DE in a 4-3 defense. Good speed to get upfield and rush the passer but blown off the ball on rushing downs. I think he had 43 tackles this year.

Avril is much younger and can really get after the passer, strong motor but again not great against the run. I don't know how much of that was because of the wide 9 setup Schwartz employed in Detroit with his front 4 though but Detroit got run on a lot.

Mario Williams we can't afford, we don't have the cap space especially if we plan to sign a free agent QB (Peyton or Flynn). We only have room for one marquee signing and I would prefer it goes to the QB position. It would be nice to get a Flynn/Manning in FA and sign Avril and that way we could use the 8/9 pick on Kendall Wright, Coples, DeCastro or trade down gets some more picks and grab Coby Fleener...but I don't know if there is a trade partner out there with this draft lacking a lot of big playmakers.
 
I think Ireland must have watched the playoffs this year..you win by getting to the qb and having a seam busting,playmaking te.those really should be the top two priorities besides replacing that revolving door at right tackle and of course qb.
 
thesparanos13 said:
Ultimately, expect the Dolphins to make a big move at defensive end this offseason, whether it’s drafting someone like UNC’s Quinton Coples with the eighth/ninth pick in the draft or signing a top free agent, which may include premier pass rushers like Houston’s Mario Williams, Detroit’s Cliff Avril and Indianapolis’ Robert Mathis.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...-do-the-miami-dolphins-look-in-a-4-3-defense/

Williams will be unrestricted if the Texans are unable to re-sign him. Williams’ original six-year, $54 million contract expires in March. The Texans aren’t likely to franchise him because he would cost them $22.9 million. He made $18 million this season.
The Texans can’t afford to carry Williams at $22.9 million for one year. They can’t trade him because you can’t trade a player who’s not under contract.
They could franchise him and hope he’d agree later to a long-term deal, but he’d be holding all the cards knowing they couldn’t keep him at $22.9 million.
Williams wants to stay, but once he’s on the open market, a team with a lot of cap space and an owner willing to spend millions might offer agent Ben Dogra $40 million to $50 million for him.
But before we count Williams as gone, remember that Smith, coach Gary Kubiak and owner Bob McNair have said they want to re-sign him. But they have only so much they can offer.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/01/mcclain-tough-decisions-await-texans/



Edited: Langer's Line up

DE- O'Drick + rookie (JT replacement)
DT- Solai(Franchise tag)
DT-Randy Starks
DE-Cam Wake

OLB-Kevin Burnett
MLB-Burflict(rookie)
OLB-Dansby

CB-Vontae Davis
FS-Smith
SS-Yeremiah Bell
CB- Clarborne (rookie)

Mario Williams...too expensive. I also have concerns bout the dline interior...I would resign Solai and draft a quick hybrid rookie to replace JT. We need speed on the edges.
I also would rather have Burflict at MLB and keep Dansdy and Burnett at OLB.
And I would draft Clarbourne at #9
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LANGER72 said:
Edited: Langer's Line up

DE- O'Drick + rookie (JT replacement)
DT- Solai(Franchise tag)
DT-Randy Starks
DE-Cam Wake

OLB-Kevin Burnett
MLB-Burflict(rookie)
OLB-Dansby

CB-Vontae Davis
FS-Smith
SS-Yeremiah Bell
CB- Clarborne (rookie)

Mario Williams...too expensive. I also have concerns bout the dline interior...I would resign Solai and draft a quick hybrid rookie to replace JT. We need speed on the edges.
I also would rather have Burflict at MLB and keep Dansdy and Burnett at OLB.
And I would draft Clarbourne at #9
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This is strong wishful thinking. Claiborne likely won't get past Tampa Bay at #5, and Burfict should be a top 20 pick.

Plus, Odrick played DT at Penn State. Why would he be a DE for us?
 
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