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WalterFootball.com -- Day 1 winners & losers -- Yup, Dolphins are losers

So, the Dolphins are losers for drafting for need and Detroit, Dallas, and KC are losers for not drafting for need????

No they are losers because the locked in a guy and didn't get the best value for the pick. Have no problem filling a need, but taking a guy that many feel would have been there at #50 (I don't but have heard many today say they think he would have) is a fail. They damn sure could have moved back 7 to 8 spots gotten him and a thrid round pick that could very well be another starter and even if they didn't get James they could have taken Bitonio. It was a bad pick...not a bad player, but a bad pick.
 
No they are losers because the locked in a guy and didn't get the best value for the pick. Have no problem filling a need, but taking a guy that many feel would have been there at #50 (I don't but have heard many today say they think he would have) is a fail. They damn sure could have moved back 7 to 8 spots gotten him and a thrid round pick that could very well be another starter and even if they didn't get James they could have taken Bitonio. It was a bad pick...not a bad player, but a bad pick.

Nicely put. Drafting is about get the right player at the right price and maximize your returns. I believe the 2 worst pick in the first round, one is poor Jaguars's pick, the other is Miami's pick.

Both way overvalued the player they want.
 
Let's see what Hickey does today before we run him up as a failure.

[video=youtube;keZ-GsRRVlQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keZ-GsRRVlQ[/video]
 
My feelings on the trade down stuff is simple. If James is a long term solid RT, I don't care if we "reached". If we had made the trade and he is not a long term solid RT, I wouldn't care that we picked up a third round pick.

It all comes down to whether the pick works out.
 
BTW, Jon Gruden is terrific on the draft coverage. He isolates packages of plays that spotlight specific weaknesses, instead of raving about everything. His focus on Robinson's sloppy penalties (or penalties that should have been called), and Mack's flatfooted lack of energy and instincts when he's behind the line of scrimmage, were fantastic insight and should have received more time. Gruden also understands that special quarterbacks are a separate matter, and you can't slot them as 10th best or 12th best player, or whatever, and pretend that it's rigidly impossible to deviate from that board. Lots of general managers prefer to take safe linemen instead of sticking their reputation on the line via a high profile quarterback.[/QUOTE]


I didn't get Gruden's point in trying to make Greg Robinson's impact block into penalties. I'd like to ask Gruden how many offensive lineman he's ever known that busted out of the league because of too many holding penalties. It doesn't happen. You can either play or you can't.

Secondly, players like Cam Wake are victims virtually every play of much, much worse than the half a dozen plays or so that he highlighted for Robinson, and holding is never called. So how is what Robinson was doing holding in the NFL? He's wrong.

The plays that Gruden highlighted, Robinson was out in space blocking a LB or DB that was 100 pounds lighter than him. He won't be asked to do the assignments in St. Louis that Gus Malzahn's offense had him doing. He'll be in more of a phone booth at left guard.

However, the segment on Khalil Mack when he's off the line of scrimmage in a 10 or 30-tech. was dead on. It requires reading blocks instead of blockers having to read him.
 
Let's put it this way: Imagine if the Jets had taken a player at 19 who was rated 38th to 80th on most pre draft boards. The howling would be loud and incessant. Since it's us, the scrambling begins.

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Yup, Jets and Bills fans loooooovvvvveeee it. But if you take it a step further Patriots fans probably don't give two ****s. They don't care that the Bills have the best WR in the class. They don't care the Jets got another CB. And they don't care about us. Why? Because until any of our teams prove we have a QB its all irrelevant to them.

Mediocre teams worry about a player of Watkins caliber because that gives their mediocre team a better chance to beat our mediocre team. And we'll all just be mediocre teams until we get the blue chip QB.
 


Bumped to underscore the ridiculousness of this particular thread as "ammunition"

"Oblivious Disingenuousness:" Hate Walter for mocking him to us pre-pick... and now love Walter for condemning the actual pick they mocked. You really can't make this **** up. :idk:

I have no idea what you intended to say, or actually said.

I don't hate Walter for mocking him to us at all. Never said i did. It shows they until they did there gratings after day one they still actually had some idea, and were accurate in the mock.


Then they bag the pick in the end of day write up.

That means zero credibility in my books.
 
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