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Was Philbin over McCoy the right move?

Why isn't anyone asking, "If Philbin over Fisher was the right choice?"
 
Jeff Fisher used Ross to blow up the price in St Louis. He was never coming here.
 
I took so much **** during the 2012 offseason wanting McCoy. I think he is going to be a star. It does not mean Joe is bad coach. This is a big two games for Joe. He has to split or the season is done.

I DO NOT want to clean house. Keep the thing together and allow the team to grow...that does not mean they cannot be criticized, however.

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Casas9425 said:
Jeff Fisher used Ross to blow up the price in St Louis. He was never coming here.
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Correct.
 
phinfan13 said:
I'm comparing Philbin to McCoy because those were our two choices in 2012 after Fisher. We almost went with McCoy, so it will be interesting to follow his career. Record isn't the only thing that I'm looking at though, but actual coaching. McCoy is doing more so far in his first season, than Philbin is in his second. The Chargers are improving, even if they only go 8-8. McCoy's team doesn't look horrible flat coming out of halves or at the begging of games, and that's coaching.
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McCoy also let his team blow a HUGE lead against the Texans in the first game of the season. If that happened to the Dolphins/Philbin...I don't even want to imagine what the reaction would be around here. Just saying, every head coach has their bad moments.
 
At least McCoy runs the ball.

We play like pansies and get whooped at home against a 4th string Qb off the street. A divisional game to boot.

We're going to lose a lot of games we penciled in as "Wins" by refusing to commit to a ground game. However you slice it, there is a good chance this team quits on Philbin during the Bengals game next Thursday.

Just my gut feeling from years of watching this team put together by incompetent fools, Ireland being the next reincarnation. The franchise is in a rough shape, losing money, losing fans, and a stadium that offers no home-field advantage.

We are the Raiders of the East.
 
Billick would have and still would be a good move. Even though he's been "black listed" for whatever reason he still seems to have the smarts and the passion for the game.
 
phinfan13 said:
I'm comparing Philbin to McCoy because those were our two choices in 2012 after Fisher. We almost went with McCoy, so it will be interesting to follow his career. Record isn't the only thing that I'm looking at though, but actual coaching. McCoy is doing more so far in his first season, than Philbin is in his second. The Chargers are improving, even if they only go 8-8. McCoy's team doesn't look horrible flat coming out of halves or at the begging of games, and that's coaching.
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To you sure. All I and most if not all GMs care about is the team's record. The book isn't close to being written for either coach. Way too soon. To say McCoy is doing better isn't fair IMO.
 
Lord Of Miami said:
I wanted McCoy over Philbin to start with and i said it on here " look it up " So no, it wasn't the right move... just like over drafting #17 wasn't. McCoy makes his game plans around his players and doesn't try to make them fit his system. That's what makes one a winning head coach and the other a loser.
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McCoy is 4-3. Philbin is 3-3 this year. You see so much of a difference between them that McCoy is a winner and Philbin is a loser?
 
Mogwai said:
For the record, at the time I wanted McCoy over Philbin. In fact I hated the Philbin choice, but to be fair he's been a pleasant surprise to me. Granted I had incredibly low expectations. It's hard to gauge any choice we made considering we kept Ireland and those sorts of half measures are really longshots. In a vacuum I like a lot of the moves we've made, but success comes from the ability to put together a complete team without crippling flaws and some elite qualities. Not just a few highlights here and there. Philbin always struck me as a grinder who's done his time in the league, but never really distinguished himself. He's done a good job of keeping us disciplined and avoiding a lot of conditioning and character debacles that have plagued us in the past, but is that enough to make him a quality HC in this league?
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Very well said.

I'd add that he is great in the game management department, he barks at the refs at the right moments, and he's calm, cool and collected. I think he could handle the pressure of being in the biggest games including a superbowl. If Sparano had ever gotten to a Superbowl a challenge flag on the coin toss or a timeout on the opening kickoff were real possibilities.

Having said that we only see a snippet of what a Head Coach is about so really all we can go on is the win/loss record. All good coaches seem to have one thing in common: they generally have a winning record year-in year-out. Philbin is already 0 for 1 in the winning record department and after the 3-0 start there is no excuse for finishing with less than 9 wins. Finish 8-8 or less and fire them all I say (and watch Philbin go on to win a SB coaching Minnesota or something).
 
I didn't know that much about either one of them but I preferred McCoy as the younger guy and more likely to run the football.

Philbin offered two distinct dangers, that a long term older assistant simply lacked special qualities, and coming from Green Bay he would take all the wrong lessons from an offense guided by Aaron Rodgers.

McCoy probably had more upside. That's the way I handicapped it and I remember posting that summary.

They weren't exactly thrilling choices, but a step up from Cameron or Gailey. That's still difficult to believe.

Philbin's strength has indeed been clock management, other than that spike, which was a Rodgers decision improperly assigned to Tannehill caliber. Tannehill needs every down he can get.
 
The obvious distinguishing feature for McCoy is that he can win and generate offense with distinct approaches, which was a hallmark of the great one, Don Shula. He won with Tebow and Manning. Now Rivers is having a renaissance. Tebow was pathetic after he left McCoy's clutches.

Meanwhile Philbin doesn't read circumstance well. He is hell bent on doing it his way, regardless of personnel limitations or the situation. Other than Pouncey, and possibly Martin, he has offensive line personnel that is not a great scheme fit but he keeps sticking with his scheme. Defensively he has outstanding 34 personnel running a 43. Starks and Odrick are excellent 34 ends and Soliai is an excellent nose. Then you have a kid in Jordan who is tailor made to be a 34 olb along with Wake. Misi and Ellerbe would be excellent ilb in a 34.

Beyond all that, Philbin is obviously a bright man and has a disciplined team. So I overlooked his obvious lack of outward electric charisma which can result in an enthusiastic and motivated team.

At this point I lost a lot of confidence in Philbin. This is now the second instance, the Tennessee home game being the other, where there is no excuse for the pitiful performance at home against a lackluster opponent. You cannot have ANY hiccups like that. It's not ok.

It's tough to move on to another regime because new leaders will jettison whatever forward progress may have been made, with steps taken back. Although, I must admit I am wondering if Tannehill is close to maxing out what he can learn from Sherman and Taylor, and by extension Philbin, such that a new set of eyes looking at Tannehill may facilitate his growth better.
 
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McCoy started his HC career at 4-3, and Philbin started his at 4-3. The only difference is that Philbin did it with much less. Time will tell, but I don't see McCoy playing with a rookie QB in SD like Philbin did last year.
 
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