Was Wanny right about something?

[mike_vee]

the phins have a **** load of talent on their roster and they've had it for years the problem was the coaching, asst's and head... hopefully saban is a good coach(so far so good) and the asst's he brought in are just as good cause imo i think that's what the phins have been lacking the last say 6 - 7 years.

 

[redhead]

WAnny didn't have it all wrong he just couldn't get enuf of it together..., he was over his head esp. when in play-off gamse he couldn't motivtae these guys to compete or hang onto big leads. He looked like a nervous wreck in many games and the players see that....

 

[BlueFin]

Wanny did 4 things to improve the roster he was given by Jimmy Johnson. He drafted Chris Chambers, Randy McMichael, signed Ogun and traded for Ricky Williams. Considering Madison, Taylor, Thomas and a vast majority of the Defensive foundation was drafted by Jimmy (and Timbo by Shula), Wanny did LITTLE to improve this team.
In order to improve a team after 5 years of coaching, your draft picks ultimiately must pan out. As you can see, he only actually added 2 starters via his drafts. That's a very poor track record.
Wanny has never been able to accumulate talent based on his own judgement. He was merely someone to hold the fort down after Jimmy left. Nearly any legitimate coaching prospect in the NFL could have managed the same results given the stellar defense Wanny was giftwrapped.
Jimmy gave us a 5 year window to be competitive for a Super Bowl. Wanny's inability to improve on his mentor's foundation is a shining example of giving the incompetent every opportunity to succeed only to listen to excuses.
The only thing Wanny was right about in his entire tenure was quitting. It WAS the right thing to do.

I disagree with the Ricky Williams thing, he cost us two first rounders who could be two young staples of this team right now.

There were plenty of free agent options at runningback over the last several years.

 

[CrunchTime]

I disagree with the Ricky Williams thing, he cost us two first rounders who could be two young staples of this team right now.

There were plenty of free agent options at runningback over the last several years.

Just to prove your point there were three top RBs available this year for only a second round pick or less and there were no takers.Is Ricky that much better than Alexander,James or Henry.?

I know its a simplistic comparison because of the playing contracts that are involved but it does give you an idea that Wanny and Speilman had no clue.

 

[LOCAL SCUM!]

well, we're not playing yet, and I don't think you'll be seeing AJ FEELEY start at QB. It's gonna be GUS. (dunno how good he is, but he's gotta be better than Feeley)...Along the Offensive Line, you're gonna have Stockar McDougal and Damion Cook replace 2 of Wanny's scrubs right there. On the Defensive Line: (although Timbo and Chester were by no means scrubs-then again, Timbo was a Schula guy) we now are gonna have K. Carter, ROth, Traylor,V.Holliday on there. All new guys. From Ricky to Ronnie. Plus the most important replacement by Saban:>>FROM RICK SPIELMAN TO RANDY MUELLER! FROM JOEL COLLIER TO SCOTT LINEHAN! FROM TONY WISE TO HUDSON HOUCKE! And of course...WANNY TO SABAN.

 

[DolfanCole]

SABAN DOES NOT HAVE TO REDUCE THE ROSTER UNTIL PRE-SEASON, THEREFORE THIS THREAD IS PREMATURE.

It may be premature, but I don't think it is for the reason that you state. Yes, it's only preseason, but you can't just junk the roster and start all over again. I think the next couple of years will tell.

How long will Wanny's boys stay over the long haul with Saban? The answer to that question should answer the question brought up in this thread. Consider that Bowens has just now left/retired/waived and he was the last Shula player.

 

[Oboy]

The biggest thing you are ALL forgetting... Parity.

The talent level differences between a team that goes 6-10 and one that goes 10-6 are MINIMAL. How they play together, how well they are coached, etc... Those are the big X-factors in the league now. The Salary cap has made it that way. The Patriots prove it every year. Every team goes against them thinking they have a chance (on paper most teams are better than NE) but they don't make mistakes and do everything as a team well.

We may not get rid of a lot of Wanny players, but make no mistake that does not mean he made the best decisions. It just means that Saban thinks they are 'good enough' to be coached to success now.

 

[Kucha]

This thread is a cardinal sin on these boards! :fire: hehe....Anyway, Saban has only been here for 6.5 months!

1. It's nearly impossible for him to remold the entire team in such a short period of time. Give him another offseason or even two. By then he will have remade this team into what he envisions...and we may see the departure of popular players during that period of time. Only then will we able to start to accurately judge him.

2. Like others said, most of the core of this team are hold overs from Jimmy Johnson.

3. Then there is the fact, that it's nearly impossible for any personnell chief in the NFL, including Wanny/Spielman to mess up every single draft and every single draft pick. They had to get lucky or even make a good pick or two! 99% of teams out there (except Arizon, lol, j/k) find talent too over a 5 year period. It's just that Wanny failed on many many more personnel choices than on any that he got right...Chambers and McMichael were hits...but how many hits did the Patriots and Eagles come across over the same period of time that Wanny was here? Much much more.

4. Even though he hit on a couple, our team consistently got worse (and older) over his period here. If Wanny and Speilan would have stayed here, we would definitely be heading even further down the NFL food chain and would have doubtlessly become the old NFL version of the Bucs and Bengals.

5. I'm not saying anything new or revealing here. Most people know this. :goof:

 

[Disnardo]

I never thought talent was the issue. The offensive line has been a joke, but that has been bolstered through coaching and chemistry (they did look a helluva lot better with each passing week). At any rate, I think the team we have now is a pretty respectable team. Probably not a playoff team, but a pretty respectable one.

You are so correct about the OL under Dave. It's amazing that Dave and his coaches did not see that the OL scheme was not working in TC, or the 1st 8 weeks of the regular season. It should have not gone that far and waited till Dave was gone to change the OL blocking scheme when Bates took over... :confused:

 

[rafael]

Wanny wasn't a bad coach, but he had some failings as a GM and in his ability/willingness to make adjustments that he couldn't overcome. Too many fans seem to see players/coaches as all or nothing. They're either gods or incompetents. Neither is true.

 

[PHINZONER]

Fletcher was good in SD and horrible in Miami! Look at all the players Wanny had that sucked in Miami and had injury probs' then left and played at a high leveln and stayed healthy. Maybe he just can not coach! But all his big picks were busts'.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

Wanny wasn't a bad coach, but he had some failings as a GM and in his ability/willingness to make adjustments that he couldn't overcome. Too many fans seem to see players/coaches as all or nothing. They're either gods or incompetents. Neither is true.

How many teams does Wanny have to destroy before you consider him a "bad coach"?

c'mon, this was the guy that said "The cold and the snow really werent conducive to us running the ball" after the snowbowl game in NE. How much more clueless could a football coach be?

 

[West-Fin_Fan]

If Wanny was right why was this team such a wreck last year ?

Was it the players or was it wanny and his hand picked staff ?

Because Ricky jumped ship on the eve of training camp?? Just a guess.

 

[wazzy]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


:rofl3: :rofl3: :rofl3: that is 2 more times then Wanny everyday

 

[estrada507]

Saban has done at least one good thing, severing ties with the bears. I mean when wanny was hear you'd thought the the Chicago Bears were the phins farm club.