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When was the last time Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl?

A: When he had a running game

When was the last time Bledsoe won more games than he lost in a season?

A: When he had a running game

When was the last time Bledsoe stayed healthy all year?

A: Up until the fluke injury last year...Bledsoe was one of the most durable QBs in the league. You can look it up.
 
"When was the last time Bledsoe won more games than he lost in a season?

A: When he had a running game "

Jay didn't need that.
 
Uh OH..He's in trouble then huh

Originally posted by dolphan
When was the last time Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl?

A: When he had a running game

When was the last time Bledsoe won more games than he lost in a season?

A: When he had a running game

When was the last time Bledsoe stayed healthy all year?

A: Up until the fluke injury last year...Bledsoe was one of the most durable QBs in the league. You can look it up.

Looks like more bad years to build on then, cause the Bills Rushing attack will likely suck again this year with that OL.
 
REALLY?

Originally posted by dolphan
I'd take their O-line over ours.

ANY DAY.


Based on what would you take the Bills OL over ours? How many sacks did they give up compared to us last year? How many Rushing yards did they get, or average per game?

Or are you saying that Mike Williams alone will upgrade them that much...bad knee and all? He's coming off of injury just like Brent Smith and Mark Dixon.

Our OL Clearly outplayed the Bills last year and we had more OL out with injuries than the bills did. Why wouldn't we outplay them again with Dixon back, Searcy added, and Brent Smith healthy? The Bills had one of the worst OL's in the NFL last year. What's so different?
 
The question of whats different from the bills line last year and the bills line this year is a funny one.

Whats the same?

Ruben Brown...and thats it.

the only other regular starter from last year returning is Jennings...and hes being moved to center.

Its a completely different line with a ton of depth.

I'd take that.
 
in other words

Originally posted by dolphan
The question of whats different from the bills line last year and the bills line this year is a funny one.

Whats the same?

Ruben Brown...and thats it.

the only other regular starter from last year returning is Jennings...and hes being moved to center.

Its a completely different line with a ton of depth.

I'd take that.

So are you then saying that the OL is better than ours because they moved a guy that had a horrible season to a new position, and added a couple other unproven players that they will be a better group...for sure?
How is Jennings an upgrade? How is Ostrowski an upgrade? How is the Teague an upgrade? I see Williams an upgrade, and ruben Brown a year older....but I don't see a OL upgrade.


BTW- Back to my "funny questions" - Just how many sacks did the Bills OL give up last year? What was their ranking in Rushing yards per game? How did those guys that played last year, such as Brown, Jennings, etc do?
 
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Thanks, dolfan, for some objectivity in your posts. Bledsoe clearly is the key for the Bills this year. It is a given that he still has a gun, and is one of the smarter QBs in the league. It's also true that his production tailed off over the last several years. Some of that may be Bledsoe's fault, but there are other legitimate reasons. After Martin departed for the Jets, the Patsies had no running game for several years, until Antowain Smith arrived last year. They also did not replace their great offensive linemen or receivers with comparable players. Moreover, Bledsoe had to cope with a series of new offensive coordinators.

These are some of the same issues that the Bills had. What's different now? Buffalo has paid great attention to their O-line in the off-season. They feel their running game will be stronger with that improved line as well. Buffalo has a stable of good receivers. Moulds had an off year last year, and was discontented. There might be a connection there. He is excited about the prospects for the offence this year. Price began to show the potential the Bills thought he had when they drafted him. Reed looks like he's far more advanced in route running than the typical rookie and has great hands and running skills to boot.

The Bills want to keep Remiersma, but this is admittedly up in the air. Remiersma had the dropsies last year. That was Tom Donahoe's and Gregg Williams' first impression of him. First impressions count for a lot and Tom Donahoe is known for not wanting to over pay people. Remiersma is willing to renegotiate, but won't at this point take a pay cut. He wants to shift some salary to signing bonus. Donahoe finds this onerous because signing bonus is guarranteed money and if Remeirsma were not able to turn things around he would be cut sooner or later and bonus money becomes dead cap money when they do. The last thing Donahoe wants is to risk new dead cap money after fixing all of John Butler's mistakes and extravagance.

Following the Bills this spring, it's been clear that they are getting great leadership from Bledsoe on offence and from Fletcher and Robinson (LBs) on defense. On the O-line Jennings is proving not only to be a good center but a leader who knows how to make the line calls. The Bills' all pro guard Rueben Brown has complemented Jennings on his ability to make those calls and stand up for them.

On the loss of Fina: Perhaps Fina could have been better this year than last when his knee rendered him just about the worst starting left tackle in the NFL, but Fina never counted much as a leader and almost anybody would be an upgrade at this point in time. If Teague ends up as starter at left tackle and is average, average is still better than the worst. Besides Teague was coming off an injury last year and played better for Denver than Fina did for Buffalo. This year he should be fully recovered, and that should result in even better play.
 
DOLFANMIKE, Jennings was injured some last year but did not give up a sack at right tackle. I answered your comment about left tackle in my last post. Ostroski is a solid, not great right guard, but if you'll recall he was injured with a broken leg most of the year. Corey Hulsey was the starting right guard for most of the season. When Fina was too crippled to play at all, the likes of Marquez Sullivan, (a rookie who the Bills like down the road) Jon Carman, and Kris Farris (until he too went out for the season with a serious injury) gracefully moved asside to let defensive ends have a clear path to the QB.

Conaty, a smart, technically sound player with limited athleticism manned the center position. Unfortunately he had a bum shoulder for the entire year. He frequently had to go to the sideline to have it popped back into place. Could you play center with such a badly dislocated elbow, DOLFANMIKE? Conaty had surgery in the off season to fix his shoulder, but even healthy Conaty will only be a backup this year. Carman, Farris, Hulsey, and Michael Early (a backup center last year), all of whom had playing time last year will all be competing to fill at most two roster spots this year.
 
Nice Post...BUT

Originally posted by TigerJ
Thanks, dolfan, for some objectivity in your posts. Bledsoe clearly is the key for the Bills this year. It is a given that he still has a gun, and is one of the smarter QBs in the league. It's also true that his production tailed off over the last several years. Some of that may be Bledsoe's fault, but there are other legitimate reasons. After Martin departed for the Jets, the Patsies had no running game for several years, until Antowain Smith arrived last year. They also did not replace their great offensive linemen or receivers with comparable players. Moreover, Bledsoe had to cope with a series of new offensive coordinators.

These are some of the same issues that the Bills had. What's different now? Buffalo has paid great attention to their O-line in the off-season. They feel their running game will be stronger with that improved line as well. Buffalo has a stable of good receivers. Moulds had an off year last year, and was discontented. There might be a connection there. He is excited about the prospects for the offence this year. Price began to show the potential the Bills thought he had when they drafted him. Reed looks like he's far more advanced in route running than the typical rookie and has great hands and running skills to boot.

The Bills want to keep Remiersma, but this is admittedly up in the air. Remiersma had the dropsies last year. That was Tom Donahoe's and Gregg Williams' first impression of him. First impressions count for a lot and Tom Donahoe is known for not wanting to over pay people. Remiersma is willing to renegotiate, but won't at this point take a pay cut. He wants to shift some salary to signing bonus. Donahoe finds this onerous because signing bonus is guarranteed money and if Remeirsma were not able to turn things around he would be cut sooner or later and bonus money becomes dead cap money when they do. The last thing Donahoe wants is to risk new dead cap money after fixing all of John Butler's mistakes and extravagance.

Following the Bills this spring, it's been clear that they are getting great leadership from Bledsoe on offence and from Fletcher and Robinson (LBs) on defense. On the O-line Jennings is proving not only to be a good center but a leader who knows how to make the line calls. The Bills' all pro guard Rueben Brown has complemented Jennings on his ability to make those calls and stand up for them.

On the loss of Fina: Perhaps Fina could have been better this year than last when his knee rendered him just about the worst starting left tackle in the NFL, but Fina never counted much as a leader and almost anybody would be an upgrade at this point in time. If Teague ends up as starter at left tackle and is average, average is still better than the worst. Besides Teague was coming off an injury last year and played better for Denver than Fina did for Buffalo. This year he should be fully recovered, and that should result in even better play.


Nice post, but I think you are giving Bledsoe too much credit when you say "It is a given that he still has a gun, and is one of the smarter QBs in the league." His Arm is fine still, but your assertion that he is one of the smarter QB's in the league is falty. As I mentioned, on plays the blocking was fine, Bledsoe's game was broken down by Ron Jaworski on Super Bowl day and Draft day. He showed some of the HUGE flaws in Bledsoe's thinking process that Brady did not have......Bledsoe holds the ball when he shouldn't, and takes hits that he shouldnt. He often overlooks the correct read looking for the deep ball, and he throws into traffic way too often. He is among NFL leaders in INT's each of his last several seasons as a starter in terms of INT per game average. That mixed with his poor record over the same stretch makes him a large part of the problem. BTW - When he is under pressure, That's when Bledsoe's poor plays and decisions really go wild. He's terrible under pressure.

Maybe his new environment will improve him, but if he doesn't improve in a big way and he is " the key for the Bills this year" you guys are in big trouble. I also fail to see the big improvement on OL. I see some improvement, but nothing that makes me think for certain your rushing attack will help Bledsoe much more than it did Johnson or Flutie.
 
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Originally posted by TigerJ
DOLFANMIKE, Jennings was injured some last year but did not give up a sack at right tackle. I answered your comment about left tackle in my last post. Ostroski is a solid, not great right guard, but if you'll recall he was injured with a broken leg most of the year. Corey Hulsey was the starting right guard for most of the season. When Fina was too crippled to play at all, the likes of Marquez Sullivan, (a rookie who the Bills like down the road) Jon Carman, and Kris Farris (until he too went out for the season with a serious injury) gracefully moved asside to let defensive ends have a clear path to the QB.

Conaty, a smart, technically sound player with limited athleticism manned the center position. Unfortunately he had a bum shoulder for the entire year. He frequently had to go to the sideline to have it popped back into place. Could you play center with such a badly dislocated elbow, DOLFANMIKE? Conaty had surgery in the off season to fix his shoulder, but even healthy Conaty will only be a backup this year. Carman, Farris, Hulsey, and Michael Early (a backup center last year), all of whom had playing time last year will all be competing to fill at most two roster spots this year.


Whether or not I could play with a bruised toe doesn't matter at all does it? I mean we are talking about the Bills "improved" OL right? If you want to talk personal toughness, you are just making a weak attempt to distract from the obvious. That being that all the info you've offered is nothing more than "HOPE" that the Bills OL will be better. We have the same thing going on here in Miami. Difference is we recognize that and aren't pretending it's a solid.
The fact is -
LT- BIG ?
LG - R. Brown
C - Big ?
RG - under average player
RT - Improved alot

Those are the facts.......

OH....regarding personal toughness, my elbows are so tough they've never been dislocated.
 
You are right, DOLFANMIKE, in that there is a significant hope factor in the O-line outlook for both the Dolphins and Bills. The only ways not to have questions are 1. come off a season where your line was solid and have no changes, and 2. acquire top tier veteran free agents to fill the holes you had last year. The Bills obviously can't count on the former, and they did not do the latter. No way can Trey Teague be considered a top tier veteran free agent.

There are a few givens however. First, at center, the worst Buffalo could do would be to have Bill Conaty start. His surgery was a success and he will be 100% starting the season. He will be better than last year simply by being healthy. The only reason for Buffalo to change would be to upgrade. If Jennings or Teague can't cut it at center, even having a healthy Conaty would be a modest improvement over last year.

Likewise, while Ostroski is not a world beater, a healthy Ostroski is better than anything Buffalo could put at right guard last season. Ostroski is healed now, and barring unforeseen events, will be healthy this coming season. By the way, while Ostroski is a poor center and not much better as a right tackle, he has been, when healthy a very adequate right guard. He'll probably be the weak link in the line, but he's not as bad as you suggest.

Again, left tackle is a question mark, but there is no scenario under which the left tackle situation will be worse or even as bad as it was last year. Left tackle will be manned either by Jennings or Trey Teague, with the other one probably playing center. The Buffalo coaching staff loves Jennings. The Bills believe that either one will be better than a healthy John Fina. Remember that John Fina was not healthy last year. He played several games when listed as questionable simply because a crippled John Fina was better than the garbage the Bills had as depth.

So yes there are questions, but the questions are "Which one can we play here?" not, "Is there anyone we can stick in there this week?"

BTW, my question about you playing center with a dislocated shoulder was not meant as a personal attack on your toughness, but only to point out that it's tough to play effectively when you are injured. Conaty was injured. Now he's not. Logic says he'll be better.
 
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