We could still land luck with the 4th or 5th pick

[dolphone]

luck is absolutely worth giving up a draft for...i'd pull a ditka with ricky williams for luck in a heartbeat...you don't think the colts would have given up an entire draft for peyton manning or the broncos for elway

they'd pony that sucker up like there's no tomorrow...and miami should trade whatever it takes to get luck if we have a chance...just wait til you guys see the bounty that kid commands if a team trades up for him...

Well, Elway was an otherworldy prospect when he came out, and he netted the 4th overall in his own draft (T Chris Hinton, turned out great but not a HOF) plus QB Mark Herrmann (career backup drafted in the 4th) and the Broncos' first rounder in '84.

So no, unless your GM is a complete dimwit, he's not going to command an entire draft. It's a ridiculous strategy and it's proven to always backfire.

 

[hoops]

I think a lot of what the Rams gave Bradford is guaranteed but in the form of base salary. i.e if he's cut they pay it but if he was traded they'd be off the hook and the team getting him would be paying it

don't think so...i think he got like $50 mil guaranteed...something insane...i don't think that goes away if you cut him...of course why would they cut him...he's a franchise qb who just needs legit weapons

 

[Zounds]

#1-Colts-Manning-salary tied up
#2-Rams-Bradford
#3-Vikings-Ponder
#4-Dolphins-draft luck
#5-Chiefs
#6-Seahwaks

Every one of those teams would draft Luck except the Rams. Also, Peyton Mannings contract wont count should he decide to retire.

 

[hoops]

Well, Elway was an otherworldy prospect when he came out, and he netted the 4th overall in his own draft (T Chris Hinton, turned out great but not a HOF) plus QB Mark Herrmann (career backup drafted in the 4th) and the Broncos' first rounder in '84.

So no, unless your GM is a complete dimwit, he's not going to command an entire draft. It's a ridiculous strategy and it's proven to always backfire.

ha ha...dimwit...a franchise caliber qb is not worth an entire draft...we of all people should know how important one is...we haven't sniffed contendership since we lost ours

likely no one takes your entire draft anyways...like they want late round picks...but 3 1st rounders and a high level player already on your roster...you can bet for andrew luck thats very much possible...and i'd do it

you continue to go the safe route and you'll continue to get safe boring *** results

 

[dolphone]

ha ha...dimwit...a franchise caliber qb is not worth an entire draft...we of all people should know how important one is...we haven't sniffed contendership since we lost ours

likely no one takes your entire draft anyways...like they want late round picks...but 3 1st rounders and a high level player already on your roster...you can bet for andrew luck thats very much possible...and i'd do it

you continue to go the safe route and you'll continue to get safe boring *** results

Sure, why would anyone want late round picks? It's not like you can find great players there...

Also, no single player has *ever* commanded 3 1st rounders, IIRC. You're postulating that this kid Luck is better than every single player in NFL history?

 

[Doctor Phibes]

don't think so...i think he got like $50 mil guaranteed...something insane...i don't think that goes away if you cut him...of course why would they cut him...he's a franchise qb who just needs legit weapons

Maybe I didn't word it very well. 50m guaranteed to Bradford yes but by the end of this season the Rams will have only paid about half of it (25m). Still over 50m to pay if Bradford sees out the remaining 4 years and if they trade him they don't have to pay

 

[Mr. Magoo]

"There is no such thing as overpaying for a franchise quarterback."

-- Ron Wolf

I agree with him. As should all Dolphins fans. Especially Dolphins fans. People want a "guarantee" but they don't seem to realize all the "guarantees" play for other teams. If you're within striking distance and you have a chance to make the deal you cannot, cannot hesitate. Whatever that extra piece is you're holding onto isn't going to make as big a difference as bringing Andrew Luck in the door will.

 

[hoops]

Sure, why would anyone want late round picks? It's not like you can find great players there...

Also, no single player has *ever* commanded 3 1st rounders, IIRC. You're postulating that this kid Luck is better than every single player in NFL history?

i'm willing to bet if the pick to acquire andrew luck is traded that it will be for a bounty unlike anything we have ever seen compensation wise...and this new rookie salary cap means teams will be even more willing to assume heavier risk in trade on qbs...

you can keep referencing the 80's and ancient history for some reason like that has some bearing here and going forward but it doesn't...the pick for luck likely doesn't get traded but in the event it does get ready for your jaw to hit the floor...

 

[Mogwai]

No chance. I don't even think Barkley slips to the 4th pick.

 

[dolphone]

i'm willing to bet if the pick to acquire andrew luck is traded that it will be for a bounty unlike anything we have ever seen compensation wise...and this new rookie salary cap means teams will be even more willing to assume heavier risk in trade on qbs...

you can keep referencing the 80's and ancient history for some reason like that has some bearing here and going forward but it doesn't...the pick for luck likely doesn't get traded but in the event it does get ready for your jaw to hit the floor...

Heh. Funny how you think the 80s are "ancient history".

But again, NOT ONE SINGLE TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL (note: this *does* include all history, even recent) HAS EVER DONE A TRADE FOR 3 1ST ROUNDERS, at least as far as I can recall.

You seem to think this kid is much more worthy than any other in NFL history. Be my guest. I won't bet against a team being that stupid - I've learned to never bet against stupidity - but I'm pretty sure most GMs aren't as clueless as to pull that trade. And again, Luck is getting to the point of being overhyped. Michael Vick was an annointed HOF before he exited highschool, and he hasn't won a single championship. Hell, his team is 1-2.

 

[hoops]

hell...a team would probably part with multiple 1st rounders as in 2 and a player to get in position for barkley...

imo luck and barkley will go 1 and 2 overall...i don't see any way it plays out any differently

 

[MagicDolphin86]

First of all let me start off by saying that I'm not on the suck for luck campaign, I'm a diehard and love this team and want to see them win every game if possible, but things are looking bleak this season and I don't see us winning more than 5 games and we do have to start looking at the future, hey look I'm rooting for henne and I do believe he has improved, better pocket presence, scrambling, a little better leadership, but let's face it guys he will never be a franchise QB, he is not special and he had his chance again sunday to win a game in the 4th quarter and he blew it, it was all set up for him, all he needed was 15yrds and he could not get the job done, serviceable NFL QB? yes, franchise QB? no, he never will be.

So that leads me to Luck, i see a lot of members on here saying we wont have a shot at Luck because he will go #1, well not necessarily, minnesota, carolina, st. louis, seattle, colts, chiefs, bengals, and us will probably be picking in the top 8, so lets cross off the vikings, panthers, rams, and bengals as potential landing spots for luck because they all have their potential franchise QB's, vikings-ponder, bengals-dalton, rams-bradford, panthers-newton. So that would leave the colts, chiefs, seahawks, and us, the colts obvi have manning but with his neck issues and him getting older and if they do get the #1 pick this could be a perfect opportunity to get their QB of the future, but financially it would not make sense, I don't think they would want to pay Mannings salary and put a #1 pick on their books as well, so that leaves the chiefs, seahwaks, and the phins, I believe the chiefs are not comfortable with cassell and if they're sitting at #1 they will take him, the seahawks also need a QB and they would take him as well, so essentially we would be battling with the seahawks and cheifs to land luck, for sake of argument lets say the first 6 picks looked like this:

#1-Colts-Manning-salary tied up
#2-Rams-Bradford
#3-Vikings-Ponder
#4-Dolphins-draft luck
#5-Chiefs
#6-Seahwaks

So landing luck without the #1 overall pick is a lot more realistic than people think!

Wow the Vikings would never pass on Andrew Luck in favor of Christian Ponder....that would be one of the worst decisions in the history of the NFL Draft, Luck is going first. The only way we get him is if he we in less than 2 games. The dolphins win probably 4 or 5 this year and thus get no player of value in the draft like always

 

[moparman]

just throwing this out there maybe we end up with the first pick,do we trade down pickup multiple draft picks then pickup barkley

 

[hoops]

Heh. Funny how you think the 80s are "ancient history".

But again, NOT ONE SINGLE TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL (note: this *does* include all history, even recent) HAS EVER DONE A TRADE FOR 3 1ST ROUNDERS, at least as far as I can recall.

You seem to think this kid is much more worthy than any other in NFL history. Be my guest. I won't bet against a team being that stupid - I've learned to never bet against stupidity - but I'm pretty sure most GMs aren't as clueless as to pull that trade. And again, Luck is getting to the point of being overhyped. Michael Vick was an annointed HOF before he exited highschool, and he hasn't won a single championship. Hell, his team is 1-2.

what the hell is michael vick doing in this discussion??? michael vick wasn't half the polished passer that andrew luck is coming out...andrew luck to everyones knowledge is about as squeaky clean an individual as you'll find in any draft...michael vick well we know that answer...michael vick also i'm not aware of him blowing up in high school i played against phoebus and grew up in newport news down the road from there a ways and vick was a good prospect but he blew up at va tech...

michael vick the prospect has no bearing here...

as for the 80's thats 30 damn years ago...back when a dan henning lead offense probably was a good thing...

 

[jfleag61]

No way in hell ANY team would pull another Ditka type move. Trade your whole draft to get one guy? Never again. Too many #1 QB's have flamed out to make that kind of move. And look at the trouble Matty Ice and the falcons are having to start the season. One Mike Vick concussion away from being 0-3 themselves. They are having o line problems, and what do you know....their record shows it. Weather you guys want to admit it or not it is a TEAM game. Luck may be the real deal, and he may have "it", but there enough QB's coming out this year that any team that has that #1 pick might have a hard time trying to rape some other team in order to trade down.