We have a long way to go...

[Jamaicankid21]

You homers are killing me. Obviously the Packers are the same exact team @ Week 5 as they were when they went to the playoffs? They improved because of Aaron Rodgers since that Week 5 game against us. You play that game 9 times out of 10 and Green Bay will win 9 out of 10 and it's not even close.

That's like those people who keep using the "Well we got a better record than the Jets", as if it even means anything have we even been in the Jets' position the past two years? Please tell me you're not that mental.

Packers are a very good football team, and a very explosive one. Their defense wins them more games though than they get credit for. Everybody wants to talk about QB play, and Rodgers, but nobody wants to mention anybody on that defense outside of Clay Mathews.

Its funny because NOW everybody wants to say how elite the Packers are and how great they are, but before that playoffs last year, nobody expected them to win that super bowl. Nobody was mentioning the Packers as an elite team, nobody was saying, "Yeah this Packers team is something special" Everybody was looking at them to be 1 and done against the Eagles.

Same with the Saints the year before that....

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

The Packers offense also only put up 14 points in the NFC Championship game, but I don't see anybody mentioning the Packers defense which ranked 2nd in the NFL in points given up..

Perhaps typing less and reading more would benefit you? I already mentioned that in post #39 in this thread.

 

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Well you don't see any defense giving up 35+ points very often... even the bad ones. But even the Steelers couldn't hold Green Bay to under 30 points in the Superbowl...

The Packers have scored 30+ points in 6 of their last 12 games, and 40+ points in 4 of their last 12 games (including the playoffs/superbowl)... and one of those games they didn't score 30+ was without Aaron Rodgers. I don't think there's a defense in the league that can stop the Packers from scoring 30+ points... not very often anyway... not even the best ones...

That performance last night wasn't record breaking, in fact, it's almost been the norm for Green Bay over the last dozen games or so...

And how many of the defenses in those six games would you consider elite?

 

[Jamaicankid21]

Perhaps typing less and reading more would benefit you? I already mentioned that in post #39 in this thread.

Sorry, didn't see you talk about the Packers putting up 14 points in the NFC championship game in post 39, read it again, still didn't see i.

Did you mention the Bears also held the Packers offense to under your 20 points 3 out of 3 times last year, while you said a great defense couldn't do it on a consistent basis even though you did say that "I don't think there's a defense in the league that can stop the Packers from scoring 30+ points... not very often anyway... not even the best ones..."

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Sorry, didn't see you talk about the Packers putting up 14 points in the NFC championship game in post 39, read it again, still didn't see i.

Did you mention the Bears also held the Packers offense to under your 20 points 3 out of 3 times last year, while you said a great defense couldn't do it on a consistent basis even though you did say that "I don't think there's a defense in the league that can stop the Packers from scoring 30+ points... not very often anyway... not even the best ones..."

Did I say that the Packers have NEVER been held to under 30 points? Well hell no...

Obviously the Bears were able to hold the Packers to under 30 points, the point is the Packers are a team that can win anyway they need to. When they're facing a team like the Bears that can't score a lot of points anyway, and who went through all three of their quarterbacks in that NFC CG, their defense can aid them.

But they don't RELY on it as their only means to victory... if they have to get into a shootout with a team like the Saints or Falcons, they're fine doing it that way. That's what the best teams in the league do... they don't have to live and die by the same thing every week.

If Miami aspires to be that caliber of team, that's the type of team they're going to have to build... and it starts with the quarterback.

 

[Dolph N.Fan]

It's amazing that the homers will grasp at the most lamest "achievement" (Almost beating a eventual SB participant is achieving something around here)to justify that Miami is better than it actually is. "Oh we almost beat NO and IND when they both went to the SB in '09" "Oh we almost beat PIT and we beat GB last season..teams that eventually went to the SB." Yet Miami also lost to CLE, DET, and BUF last season. Like the OP said, Miami has a long way to go. When was the last time Miami beat a good team convincingly?

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

And how many of the defenses in those six games would you consider elite?

How many elite defenses do you think there are in the NFL? I'm not sure what your point is...

Apparently you think the Steelers is one of 'em... Rodgers threw 3 TD's against it. The Saints were a top 5 defense in the NFL last year, the Packers just hung 40+ on them. The Falcons defense was top 10... Packers hung 40+ on them in the playoffs...

Nobody is going to sustain 30+ points EVERY single week or ever has... but a game plan that's structured around winning games 17-13 every week isn't going to get it done either, and especially when you don't even have that type of defense to begin with... (i.e. the Miami Dolphins)

 

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How many elite defenses do you think there are in the NFL? I'm not sure what your point is...

Apparently you think the Steelers is one of 'em... Rodgers threw 3 TD's against it. The Saints were a top 5 defense in the NFL last year, the Packers just hung 40+ on them. The Falcons defense was top 10... Packers hung 40+ on them in the playoffs...

Nobody is going to sustain 30+ points EVERY single week or ever has... but a game plan that's structured around winning games 17-13 every week isn't going to get it done either, and especially when you don't even have that type of defense to begin with... (i.e. the Miami Dolphins)

I got the Steelers and maybe the Falcons as elite defenses. we'll see where the Saints end up this year.
my point is in all of last year Rodgers had 30+ points against 1(maybe 2) truly elite defenses.
having one of the very few elite QBs is great, but imo, an elite defense give you just as good(maybe more of) a chance at winning.

 

[IHATETHEJETS]

Any team can beat any team on Sunday. We had no business beating Green Bay in Green Bay last season but it happened.

To win big you have to be consistent. And that's something we haven't been in YEARS.

Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are big time, major league NFL quarterbacks. The reads they made at the line pre-snap, the adjustments they made afterwards, the throws they made....Chad Henne doesn't do these things.

The bomb from Brees to Meachem for six was a classic example to smart, superstar QB's. Collins plays up leaving on on one for Meachem on Williams, Brees quickly identifies it, makes the adjustment, and delivers a nice pass to Meachem for six.

Let's wait until we see Chad Henne in this new offense before you make assumptions that he can't make pre-snap adjustments. Since Chad Henne has been in the NFL, he has had Dan Henning as his O-Coord. Dan Henning would not let Chad Henne audible a play at the line, Mr. Dabol will now let Chad audible. So how do you, I, or any one else now that he can't make the pre-snap adjustment, call an audible, and hit Brandon Marshall for six with a nice pass.