let me reiterate that that was fan speculation a bunch of people were throwing around. I was just putting it out there as one of the many rumors I've heard. Don't take it as anything substantial.
What I believe is really going on with Fisher
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let me reiterate that that was fan speculation a bunch of people were throwing around. I was just putting it out there as one of the many rumors I've heard. Don't take it as anything substantial.
Thank you for clarifying it. I am hoping for Zimmer.
ckparrothead
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Yes I support the hiring of Fisher.
ckparrothead
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If Jeff Ireland leaves, Jeff Fisher leaves as well. That's why Ireland has leverage. The fact that Miami's front office infrastructure is already in place, with a GM that Fisher likes, is one of the appeals of Miami. If Ireland is fired or leaves then Fisher walks immediately to the Rams.
ckparrothead
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Nope.
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Incidentally, I am led to believe that the Fisher thing goes down for good tomorrow, whether it's Miami or St. Louis. I'm led to believe the ball is completely in Miami's court. Either they accommodate him and he becomes a Dolphin, or they don't and he's a Ram.
hoops
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so you are saying to me that they are a package deal...
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and would you accomodate him??? yes or no bottom line
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I personally don't want someone we have to "accommodate" so much. Either he wants to coach a proud franchise back to greatness, or he doesn't. If he wants to win, we give him the best option. The Rams need 5 drafts to replace all the bad talent they have.
But if Ireland were willing to become the GM of the Rams under Fisher why wouldn't he be willing to do that here? That doesn't make sense to me. Ireland's best shot to retain any oomph in the organization is to stay where at least he has champions in the hierarchy. Being upset with a loss of power and leaving to go somewhere else where he would have even less power would not be a rational act on his part.
If Fisher's play is to tell Ross, "look, I want Ireland's 'final say' and I want him to accept that and if he bolts then I walk" doesn't strike me as particularly logical, either. Couldn't he just force Ireland out the door and then get Ross to hire whoever he would have recommended to be hired were he to become coach of the Rams? Why would he assume he could get Jeff Ireland to work with him somewhere else?
I don't think the fear is that if you lose Ireland you lose Fisher I just think that Ross has a great deal of loyalty and trust in Ireland and might be willing to chose him over Fisher. That's my worry, to be honest... that there's sort of a battered wife thing going on where no matter what awful horror Ireland wreaks upon Dolphinland Ross just keeps going back to him and defending him no matter what.
Hey CK or anyone, I was wondering why Fisher is so against the LA move for the Rams?? Isn't he from that area? I know he went through it once before and probably didn't enjoy it, but I would think he'd like to go back to Southern California. Wasn't he really wishing for the San Diego job? Thanks
hoops
Tua time!
doesn't make sense to me either...
dlockz
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People can hate what happened with Saban all they want and yes it did suck but he did not quit because he was afraid of being fired . His NFL career is basically an incomplete he had one winning season one losing season
Im pretty sure he is ok being a college coach makiing quite a bit more than most nfl coaches. No one on this board has any clue what happened in Miami to make him want to leave. I very much doubt he will go to his grave regretting to go to Alabama. None of this couldnt cut in NFL crap has any basis , he just had issues in Miami and found a better job at Alabama its that simple. possibly our loss who knows he had his good and bad points but definately Alabama's gain.
Your post is contradictory. On the one hand you say that no one on this board really knows what happened with Saban in Miami and on the other hand claim to know that he didn't quit because he thought he was going to be fired. Make up your mind.
And anyway, this was Dave Hyde saying this, not me. I was merely relaying what he said.
Either way I was only talking about that because someone brought up Saban as an example of why "hunger" is important in a coach. The last thing this thread needs is to dissolve into a discussion of the utter irrelevancy known as Nick Saban.
ckparrothead
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Absolutely. 100 percent yes.
I don't know why everyone is so bent out of shape about the idea of him having final say. Final say is not the same thing as having both job descriptions. To me, the power SHOULD be in the hands of your best leader. They don't build monuments to committees. For every GOOD coach out there that stepped all over his personnel people and handled his final say authority badly, there are two bad GMs out there that were just bad at their job.
I don't think the final say on personnel should automatically be in the hands of the Head Coach or the General Manager. I think it should be in the hands of the most qualified. And right now, you put Jeff Fisher with Jeff Ireland, I'm pretty sure I know which guy is better at his job.
I don't think Jeff Fisher walks all over the people that actually do the work. I think he just doesn't want to get stuck with another Vince Young. And if he does, he wants the authority to handle the situation before it fractures the locker room. I'm fine with that.
ckparrothead
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He already coached a team through two moves, from Houston to Memphis to Nashville. He wants no part of that. It's pretty well accepted by every media member that's done any amount of digging, that the relocation issue is a big deal for Fisher.