What would you do as GM?

[vt_dolfan]

the simple fact is that if Spielman did a little legwork, he could've gotten a much better QB than Feeley, especially if other teams were aware that he was willing to give up a 2.

He obviously did little research when it came to AJ. He had played in a WCO his entire life, he didn't know anything else. Norv was running a downfield vertical attack, something so different, even though Wanny had handcuffed him.

If he had called around, there is no doubt in my mind that he could've picked up somebody else. I'll toss out a few names:

David Garrard-with Leftwich firmly entrenched as the starter, Del Rio would've taken that 2nd in an instant.

Billy Volek-yes, that Volek. Before he blew up last season, throwing for mountains of yards in relief of McNair, he too would've been available.

Mike McMahon-was the backup in Detroit, with no chance of regaining the starting position with Joey there. They let him go this offseason without an offer. Would they have accepted that 2, oh yes.


All 3 of these QBs would've been a better choice than AJ. They all have arms, 2 of them are great scramblers, and they were all backups that really had no chance of starting unless there was a severe injury.

I would have loved to have a shot at all three of these QB's. The only question is...would we still be happy giving up a two for them. I think Rick's decision really was put into a bad light when the Eagles landed TO for a two. So..it wasnt really the fact that he got AJ..it was the fact he gave up a two for him. IYO..do you think San Diego would have taken a two for either Bree's or Rivers...or maybe a two and Wally?

 

[LarryFinFan]

First and foremost...I am not defending Rick Spielman. But so many people have ridiculed him for the Gordon, Feeley pickups...I thought it would be a good idea to see what many of you monday morning GM's would have done, given the circumstances Spielman had last year. So..let er rip. We'll take a look at the scenarios presented and decide which would have succeeded and which would only have worked in Madden. Remember to back any answer up with evidence...dont just say..I would have traded for Peyton Manning cuz hez da bomb.

That is not a fair scenario to RS..sure, if you play the "if we knew then what we know now" game, we'd all make different decisions....but that is fantasy, not real life...in real life, they were good moves at the time !! The bottom line, is that these moves were made to secure his job, and for what we needed at that time..you can't compare some stupid game to real life and get anything significant out of it..

 

[Dudeman]

I would have loved to have a shot at all three of these QB's. The only question is...would we still be happy giving up a two for them. I think Rick's decision really was put into a bad light when the Eagles landed TO for a two. So..it wasnt really the fact that he got AJ..it was the fact he gave up a two for him. IYO..do you think San Diego would have taken a two for either Bree's or Rivers...or maybe a two and Wally?

before last season, possibly for Brees with the way he had played in previous years. AJ Smith probably would've looked at is as recouping a lost pick. I'm just not sure Smith was comfortable with Philip, after all, Rivers was Schottenheimer's boy.


Would I have been happy with giving up a 2 for a backup? Not necessarily, however much more comfortable than giving up a 2 for a 3rd stringer who only knew the WCO his entire career.

 

[Bjorn]

I would have traded for Peyton Manning cuz hez da bomb.

:yeahthat:

 

[arsenal]

the simple fact is that if Spielman did a little legwork, he could've gotten a much better QB than Feeley, especially if other teams were aware that he was willing to give up a 2.

He obviously did little research when it came to AJ. He had played in a WCO his entire life, he didn't know anything else. Norv was running a downfield vertical attack, something so different, even though Wanny had handcuffed him.

If he had called around, there is no doubt in my mind that he could've picked up somebody else. I'll toss out a few names:

David Garrard-with Leftwich firmly entrenched as the starter, Del Rio would've taken that 2nd in an instant.

Billy Volek-yes, that Volek. Before he blew up last season, throwing for mountains of yards in relief of McNair, he too would've been available.

Mike McMahon-was the backup in Detroit, with no chance of regaining the starting position with Joey there. They let him go this offseason without an offer. Would they have accepted that 2, oh yes.


All 3 of these QBs would've been a better choice than AJ. They all have arms, 2 of them are great scramblers, and they were all backups that really had no chance of starting unless there was a severe injury.

just to note david garrard was being denied for 2nd round picks this offseason, jax was asking for 1st rounders... and whos to say these guys were better choices? maybe volek but no one really saw volek until last year, and mcmahon i dont think would be any better than feeley...

 

[BrazForPhins]

What would I do as GM?

Well, GM lost a Billion dollars in the First Quarter of 2005 and eventhough their employee discount for everyone program led to record sales in the second quarter, they still lost $387 Million dollars during that period...

If I was GM I would stop building so many huge gas guzzling, F@ck You mobiles and start concentrating on smaller, more reliable and efficient cars that the public is beginning to demand in this energy conscious era.

Glad you asked.

:rofl3:

 

[CsonkaClone]

The moves for Feeley and Gordon were fueled by panic in my estimation....You simply cannot give up a 2nd rounder for a guy who barely played in college and had like 3 or 4 games experience in the NFL....STUPID!!!!!!...A 3rd for Gordon was not as bad but was still for an unproven guy with little experience...I was saying the same thing when the deals were made so this is not hindsight. If I were the GM I would have never gone after Feeley to begin with...I may have offered a 5th for Gordon but not until I exhausted all other possibilities to find someone for a lot less...

Spielman and Wanny made these moves because they were more concerned with keeping their jobs than the future of the organization...and because they are lousy at evaluating talent...Old story...Especially for Wanny...(See history of Wanny in CHI).

These guys were under a lot of pressure to win...With losing Ricky...and having the brutal Miami media breathing down their necks...They collapsed under the pressure and made some bad decisions...I highly doubt that you will see Saban doing that.

 

[touborg]

yeah everyone ******* about the feeley deal, but i could only imagine the massive amounts of bitching that would have occured if Spielman wouldn't have brought in any QB to compete with fielder last offseason... he would have gotten killed by the fans and the media, at least he went out and got a young guy with potential he was hoping would improve our QB situation for years rather than getting a washed up garcia or brunell... yeah it backfired in the end, but he had to make a move, if we went another year with just fiedler forget about it, miami fans would have went crazy...

I agree 110%.

Before the fans wash their hands off this thing, they might want to remember the "anyone but Fiedler" mood that existed for a few years. No doubt the FO felt pressured to to try someone new.

 

[vt_dolfan]

That is not a fair scenario to RS..sure, if you play the "if we knew then what we know now" game, we'd all make different decisions....but that is fantasy, not real life...in real life, they were good moves at the time !! The bottom line, is that these moves were made to secure his job, and for what we needed at that time..you can't compare some stupid game to real life and get anything significant out of it..

I think Dudeman's points are very valid. What kind of scouting could he have done to prove that Feeley was the right choice and at #2. Given that we could have kept Griese who is at least as talented as Feeley..why were we in such a rush to get someone like Feeley. OF course this is a "if we knew what we knew now game". As fans we can look back to see if things could have been different..or maybe what we as wanna be GM's would have done.

 

[BrazForPhins]

Spielman and Wanny made these moves because they were more concerned with keeping their jobs than the future of the organization...and because they are lousy at evaluating talent...Old story...Especially for Wanny...(See history of Wanny in CHI).

that's y i hate them, they were giving s*** for the organization. They were looking for a 9-7/10-6 kind of season to save their heads

 

[TGall13]

Hindsight is 20/20, but, as far as a quarterback, I don't think we needed to panic. Sage could have been promoted to 2nd. Giving up a second rounder was definitely too much for Feeley. Plus they had to know that there would have been some quality guys let go, Warner, Collins to name a couple.
I don't think the 3rd we gave up for Gordon was a bad move at the time. We needed to fill that spot more so than quarterback. Gordon looked promising with the Rams and he was the best available at the time.
So, in short, Feeley was a bad move and Gordon not so bad.

 

[islandah]

...in real life, they were good moves at the time !! The bottom line, is that these moves were made to secure his job, and for what we needed at that time..

Let's not get carried away. Understandable moves given the circumstances, absolutely. But giving away too much out of desperation still can't be considered "good moves."

 

[GrnMtnMan]

Bad moves now, bad moves then. Give the Lions a call and see about the availability of Barry Sanders or something. Of those three QB's listed I would have been most happy with Holcombe at the time. I imagine he'll be starting in Buffalo by game 6 or so. I was disgusted at the moves then because they were waaaaaaaaay overpriced. Look at the price of second rounders lately. I understand it was in season but come on.

 

[islandah]

that's y i hate them, they were giving s*** for the organization. They were looking for a 9-7/10-6 kind of season to save their heads

So you would have fallen on the sword, concede your job, for the good of an organization you probably wouldn't be with anymore. That's quite noble.

Of course they were trying to save their heads. They knowingly took some ill-advised high risk gambles, and lost.

 

[BrazForPhins]

So you would have fallen on the sword, concede your job, for the good of an organization you probably wouldn't be with anymore. That's quite noble.

Of course they were trying to save their heads. They knowingly took some ill-advised high risk gambles, and lost.

yes.That's the way it is in sports.You can't put yourself ahead the organization.That's work ethic to me..Wanny resigned,though too late IMO. He should've resign before the season.
If u cannot think that way in sports so u're not able to coach or manage my team. They earn a lot of money to be afraid of hitting the door and ignore millions of fans around the country(and world). :fire:
The responsability of coaching and managing a team in the NFL it's not like a regular job that will just affect u and your boss, and that in case u quit u won't have money to take care of your family.

jmo