Where do ya see the Potential in AJ??

[touborg]

Fortunately, most rational peolple aren't swayed by one positive or negative event.
The fact is that NO QB in this league would have had success in this offense
QB's succeed when they are well coached (he wasn't), have a good offensive coordinator (he didn't) and have some decent talent around them (he didn't).
You get into arguments like this because you make premature and outlandish comments.

That's not even remotely a fact, that's pretty far from it actually. Everyone was calling Fiedler horrible, but once AJ stepped into the same offense, people started blaming the offense and not the player.

I'll tell you a fact though: AJ, allthough having years of experience, is still making rookie mistakes that no starting material should be making at that age. He holds the ball, he locks on and he continues to make bad calls and throws inconsistently. I agree he was coached poorly, but so was Fiedler, and no one ever gave him a break.

 

[Teenwolf]

How hard is it to see? There are some really stupid people out there!

A quarterback can only play well if given the correct protection, time to throw and the recievers run very good routes! As our offensive line has been pathetic to say the least for 2 years, our output at the quarterback position has has reflected this - Joe Montana in his peak would struggle behind that line - THIS IS A TEAM GAME!

 

[adamprez2003]

As for the people wanting to give him a chance purely because we paid a 2nd rounder, I honestly wish you guys played poker. In poker, one of the most important skills is cutting your losses. People who don't know how to cut their losses feed the good poker players.

I have yet to see one AJ backer bring up the 2nd rounder as justification for playing the guy. The only people that bring up the 2nd round draft pick are the people who bash the guy. You are arguing a point that was never made. As for whether we overpaid for the guy you need to remember that offseason. We weren't going to get him for anything less than a 3rd. He had alot of interest that offseason. Why do you think that is? It's because people saw potential in him. You guys make it seem as if Spielman was the only one who was interested in getting him.

If he was as bad as you people make him out to be he wouldnt be in the league. Oh yeah I forgot - The so called 2nd rounder argument

 

[Dubfire]

I rather have Gus play, AJ is the worst QB in the league, he has an arm and acc. but he has no brain. I would have liked to pick up Rattey or MacMan or even Dorsey. Dorsey at least has some brain.


Aj only played 8 damn games in college and then the following year he got benched behind Joey Hrrington. That year where everyone talk about he did great with the Eagles he didnt really do anything. 1st game was against the sorry 49ers and he only played 1 and a half quarters in that game. 2nd game couldnt score a TD all game but they won 10 to 3, the next game he did good but it was against the Redskins where he managed 2 td and a pick, and he also had a good game again, guess who? another garbage team the Cowboys. Then the playoffs came along and he was put back to 3rd string. The following year he didnt even smell the field he was 3rd string.

So where do ya see the potential in this kid?? He hasnt played a good season since he was in High School. Jay Fiedler was way better than this kid. We just gotta admitt we mest up in picking this kid up

That line of thinking would have made the Seahawks give up on Hasselbech. Until I see AJ for one full year under a REAL offensive system, I'm not going to make a judgment. He could very be working at Denny's by this time next year. I've seen some things I really like (strong arm, hitting receivers on the run allowing them to get YAC, something Ears NEVER did, toughness, fire) and some things I hate (picks, picks for 6, and more picks). Those are mental mistakes, that with repetition he should be able to eliminate. And if he can't, well then, "AJ, I'd like my eggs scrambled with that Lumberjack Slam."

 

[dlockz]

Fielder played awful last year with the same offense as Feeley but he was not so great with good oline play and Ricky's 1800 yards so its not like we did not give Fielder a chance. Five years is defiantely a chance.

 

[touborg]

I have yet to see one AJ backer bring up the 2nd rounder as justification for playing the guy.

Are you telling me you've never seen anyone here post that we should give AJ a chance now that we've paid a 2nd rounder for him and need to see what he can do because of that?.

 

[jlfin]

That's not even remotely a fact, that's pretty far from it actually. Everyone was calling Fiedler horrible, but once AJ stepped into the same offense, people started blaming the offense and not the player.

I'll tell you a fact though: AJ, allthough having years of experience, is still making rookie mistakes that no starting material should be making at that age. He holds the ball, he locks on and he continues to make bad calls and throws inconsistently. I agree he was coached poorly, but so was Fiedler, and no one ever gave him a break.

Bad calls? I didn't realize he was given the freedom to make any calls.
Fiedler was criticized for his lack of an NFL caliber arm, not for decision making or guts. At least not by me.
It is very difficult to make consistent throws when you are getting pressured on every play (just ask Tom Brady).
Feeley hasn't had the opportunity to get experience. If he had been a 1st rd draft pick, he would have been given ample opportunity to show if he had the talent.
All I'm saying is that there is not enough information on the guy to make a fair assessment. Fiedler BTW had 5 yrs to show something. He also had most of the reps in TC last season AND was more familiar with the tendencies of his receivers. So, you are correct, Fiedler should have been judged more harshly. I don't think Feeley will get 5 yrs to show whether he has anything.

 

[jlfin]

I have yet to see one AJ backer bring up the 2nd rounder as justification for playing the guy. The only people that bring up the 2nd round draft pick are the people who bash the guy. You are arguing a point that was never made. As for whether we overpaid for the guy you need to remember that offseason. We weren't going to get him for anything less than a 3rd. He had alot of interest that offseason. Why do you think that is? It's because people saw potential in him. You guys make it seem as if Spielman was the only one who was interested in getting him.

If he was as bad as you people make him out to be he wouldnt be in the league. Oh yeah I forgot - The so called 2nd rounder argument

Excellent post :)

 

[touborg]

Excellent post :)

If it was even remotely rooted in reality, yes.

 

[inFINSible]

 

[Geauxfins]

From what I've seen of AJ he appears to be destined as a backup in this league. Yes, he does make the occasional great throw, great read, or even scamble for those extra yards....but as usual with backups, the consistency is definitely not there.

Catchy name...did you hear that from one of the Bills linebackers as they watched RW blow by them on the way to the end zone??:rofl3:

 

[tcdrover]

That line of thinking would have made the Seahawks give up on Hasselbech. Until I see AJ for one full year under a REAL offensive system, I'm not going to make a judgment. He could very be working at Denny's by this time next year. I've seen some things I really like (strong arm, hitting receivers on the run allowing them to get YAC, something Ears NEVER did, toughness, fire) and some things I hate (picks, picks for 6, and more picks). Those are mental mistakes, that with repetition he should be able to eliminate. And if he can't, well then, "AJ, I'd like my eggs scrambled with that Lumberjack Slam."

I remember seeing Hasselbech all the way back when he was in Green Bay. In the preseason he was perfect. He played extremely well, granted it was the preseason, but Feeley has NEVER even come remotely close to looking that good.

I think we have to give Feeley 'some' credit, the recievers didn't exactly play great for him when he was playing. IMHO - Our starting QB next year is not on our roster right now.

 

[jlfin]

If it was even remotely rooted in reality, yes.

If you look at things objectively, you will see that it is. You obviously have some personal grudge against Feeley.

 

[SCall13]

Fortunately, most rational peolple aren't swayed by one positive or negative event.
The fact is that NO QB in this league would have had success in this offense
QB's succeed when they are well coached (he wasn't), have a good offensive coordinator (he didn't) and have some decent talent around them (he didn't).
You get into arguments like this because you make premature and outlandish comments.
No one is drooling over Feeley. Most people, however, are fair minded and recognize that the problems with the QB position last year went way beyond Feeley.

Yet you, or noone else, would give Fiedler the same benefit of the doubt. But because Feeley isn't Fiedler, you and tons of other people are willing to make excuses for him. Fiedler wasn't surrounded by alot of talent either. (Don't get me wrong, I don't like Fielder either and I think he reached his full potential) People will say Fiedler had Ricky, and a better line. The line wasn't THAT great, Fiedler had one good WR (Chambers) and a defense that choked when it mattered. So all things considered, things were pretty equal and they both have about the same potential. And that potential leads to clip board holding in my book.
I am aware of our shortcomings last year. I don't need anyone to explain it to me. And the other people who see no potential in Feeley don't need an explanation either. Feeley was PART OF THE PROBLEM. He was not a good QB surrounded by trash. He was part of the trash.

 

[SCall13]

I have yet to see one AJ backer bring up the 2nd rounder as justification for playing the guy. The only people that bring up the 2nd round draft pick are the people who bash the guy. You are arguing a point that was never made. As for whether we overpaid for the guy you need to remember that offseason. We weren't going to get him for anything less than a 3rd. He had alot of interest that offseason. Why do you think that is? It's because people saw potential in him. You guys make it seem as if Spielman was the only one who was interested in getting him.

If he was as bad as you people make him out to be he wouldnt be in the league. Oh yeah I forgot - The so called 2nd rounder argument

I've seen the 2nd rounder brought up ALOT by Feeley backers. And yes, they have use the 2nd rounder as reasoning in why he should start. The latest thread in which the second rounder was brought up was yesterday. AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A FEELEY SUPPORTER.

This is all pointless argument. In the end, Gus will be the starter. And Feeley will be standing where he should be. Because Saban will play the best man for the job. And that will be Gus - a "journeyman" QB.