Where do ya see the Potential in AJ??

[Schleprock]

In the video about him, he stressed velocity and accuracy. He downplayed distance, not arm strength.

great, another semantics arguer/corrector

care to explain to me your view on teh correlation between arm strength and throwing distance? I'd say there is a direct correlation.

 

[touborg]

Then be fair and spread the blame around. Your earlier post suggests that it was all because of Feeley. You implied that if he starts this season, we will go 4-12 again.

This thread is about AJ Feeley, I have no intention of derailing it by brining up other subjects.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

It's my impression that you wanted Feeley to start? If I'm wrong, you have my apologies.

I want the better QB to start. I don't care who it is.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

it wasn't potential, after wanny resigned, bates scaled the offense back so feeley wouldn't be put in high risk situations. what did he average, 6 ypc? i could teach a monkey to throw 3 yard hitches and 5 yard slants the whole damn game.

The TD throw to Thompson against NE was considerable farther than 5 yds, under pressure, into coverage, on 4th and 10.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

great, another semantics arguer/corrector

care to explain to me your view on teh correlation between arm strength and throwing distance? I'd say there is a direct correlation.

I didn't make the distinction, DAN MARINO did. He was saying that throwing the ball a long distance is over rated. There are plenty of QBs that can't throw it 80 yds down the field, but can throw a 30 yd out just fine.

Throwing for distance often involves a different throwing motion, similar to the difference between how an outfielder throws the ball rather than an infielder. Dan Marino threw the ball with tremendous velocity with a very compact, quick motion. He had almost no wind up. He was not the best at throwing the ball down the field.

His throwing mechanics were dramatically different than guys like Elway, Bledsoe, etc. Either of those two would win a distance competition against Marino. Neither could get the ball from a set postion to 3yds down field as fast.

 

[touborg]

The TD throw to Thompson against NE was considerable farther than 5 yds, under pressure, into coverage, on 4th and 10.

Exception to the rule because it was the only chance to win the game. He is right, the offense was scaled down to avoid turnovers.

 

[Eshlemon]

I've been looking really really hard for potential and I can't find it. He's been in this league for a long time (5th season now right?) and he's still making basic mistakes like locking on to the reciever, holding on the ball and generally being inconsistent in the throws. I'm just not sure what the talent some people talk about is.

As for the people wanting to give him a chance purely because we paid a 2nd rounder, I honestly wish you guys played poker. In poker, one of the most important skills is cutting your losses. People who don't know how to cut their losses feed the good poker players. AJ is a bad hand, and we already lost a 2nd rounder, do you really want to lose another one? Lay down the hand, let Frerotte play and get a new QB next year. (Oh and for all you people wanting to play AJ, I'm usually found in Poker.com, I'd love to play with you =).

Yes, but with Feeley there is still a potentioal for a much bigger hand than the average 3 of Kind Frerrotte.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Exception to the rule because it was the only chance to win the game. He is right, the offense was scaled down to avoid turnovers.

The offense was scaled back for many reasons, not just the play of Feeley.

Other completions against NE:

A.Feeley pass to R.McMichael to MIA 38 for 4 yards (R.Gay).
A.Feeley pass to M.Booker to MIA 18 for 3 yards (R.Gay).
A.Feeley pass to R.McMichael to MIA 36 for 7 yards (W.McGinest; R.Phifer).
A.Feeley pass to B.Gilmore pushed ob at NE 49 for 15 yards (R.Phifer).
A.Feeley pass to M.Booker to NE 32 for 17 yards (R.Phifer).
A.Feeley pass to B.Gilmore pushed ob at NE 17 for 9 yards (T.Brown).
A.Feeley pass to M.Booker to NE 12 for 10 yards (T.Bruschi).
A.Feeley pass to C.Chambers ran ob at MIA 32 for 11 yards.
A.Feeley pass to S.Morris to MIA 45 for 13 yards (E.Wilson; T.Brown).
A.Feeley pass to S.Morris to MIA 49 for 4 yards (R.Phifer).
A.Feeley pass to R.McMichael to MIA 45 for 7 yards (W.McGinest).
A.Feeley pass to C.Chambers to NE 15 for 9 yards (A.Samuel).
A.Feeley pass to D.Thompson to NE 1 for 10 yards (A.Samuel).
A.Feeley pass to D.Lee to MIA 28 for 9 yards (T.Johnson).
A.Feeley pass to C.Chambers ran ob at MIA 43 for 8 yards.
A.Feeley pass to S.Morris to MIA 29 for 4 yards (T.Brown).
A.Feeley pass to S.Morris to MIA 47 for 15 yards (T.Brown; W.McGinest).
A.Feeley pass to R.McMichael ran ob at NE 42 for 11 yards.
A.Feeley pass to C.Chambers ran ob at NE 38 for 4 yards (A.Samuel).
A.Feeley pass to S.Morris to NE 19 for 7 yards (A.Samuel).
A.Feeley pass to M.Booker ran ob at NE 21 for 5 yards (A.Samuel).
A.Feeley pass to D.Thompson for 21 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

By my quick count, that' s 6 at or below the 6 yards per completion mentioned and 16 above.

 

[Captain Lou]

I think we all have faith in Nick Saban. I think the fact he had seven opportunities to pick up a qb in the draft and didn't take ones should tell you something. I think he's ok with what's on our roster. I dont know if Feeley will suceed or fail. However, I think you'd have to be a complete idiot to think our offensive woes began and ended with Feeley. I think you'll see a different player this year. FYI A guy named Payton Manning threw 28 picks his first year. I'm sure many of you would be crying how bad he sucked too. The truth is no Qb is going to come out the gate and light it up. The one guy who did was Marino. If you're looking for a qb like that you better build a time a machine and set it to 1983 cause that's the only way it's going to happen. :shakeno:

 

[dlockz]

The rating was 82 but good try at making it look worse.

Gus Frerotte played in pro bowl as a replacement for an injured player and had a rating of 73.8 for the Washington Redskins in 1997. 17 td's and 12 interceptions. I don't ever bring up numbers unless I know them so I in no way tried to make them look worse.

 

[dlockz]

I think the team could've won with Ray Lucas at Qb against the Browns and 9ers.

Well we lost early in season to Arizona a team that the 49ers had thier only wins against. and what about the New England win only 2 teams beat New England last year us and Pitt.

 

[dlockz]

I'm not sure but I believe Lucas's states were actually better than AJ's.

Ray played for a much better Dolphins team and has been out of league for a bit now which should speak volumes on his ability.

 

[dlockz]

it wasn't potential, after wanny resigned, bates scaled the offense back so feeley wouldn't be put in high risk situations. what did he average, 6 ypc? i could teach a monkey to throw 3 yard hitches and 5 yard slants the whole damn game.

Our offense was much wider open under Bates just simplified playbook and if all it takes is a monkey throwing 3 yard hitches to win and beat a good team like New England suit him up. If you can only get 2 second to throw you better be smarter as a coach and change the gameplan instead of doing the same stupid stuff. We had no rushing game the Ne wEngland game or all year. Our leading rushers were Morris and MInor both with 27 yards.



Also sorry I did not use just one post for all those replies but every time I replied saw another post plus I need the posts. I wanna see my status change.

 

[nick1]

I actually think that Fuerotte is capable of playing above average like he once did when he went to his lone pro bowl

 

[dlockz]

I actually think that Fuerotte is capable of playing above average like he once did when he went to his lone pro bowl

Well he wasn't any better than Fielder's best year when he was an alternate that ended up going to Pro Bowl. Aikman and Young were injured and Kerry Collins and Gus Frerotte were thier replacements.

In fact Fielder's QB rating lifetime is better than Frerotte's although not by much.76.1 Frerotte to Fielder's 76.8.