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Where does Philbin rank among post-Shula coaches?

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I'd honestly put him just above Cameron - 2nd to last. He reminds me of Cam too, utterly and completely out of touch with his players.

He is also the only coach (other than Cam and Saban) never to reach the post-season.

Where do you have him ranked in the pantheon of post-Shula coaches?


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Where does Philbin rank among post-Shula coaches?

If you wanna have a turd-judging contest, just say you wanna have a turd-judging contest. :nate:

Philbin's a floater, but he's a stinky floater. One of those hard to get rid of turds. Which reminds me of a story...

Big Boy by David Sedaris

IT WAS EASTER SUNDAY in Chicago, and my sister Amy and I were attending an afternoon dinner at the home of our friend John. The weather was nice, and he'd set up a table in the backyard so that we might sit out in the sun. Everyone had taken their places when I excused myself to visit the bathroom, and there, in the toilet, was the absolute biggest piece of work I have ever seen in my life--no toilet paper or anything, just this long and coiled specimen, as thick as a burrito.

I flushed the toilet, and the big boy roused around. It shifted position, but that was it. This thing wasn't going anywhere. I thought briefly of leaving it behind for someone else to take care of, but it was too late for that--before leaving the table, I'd stupidly told everyone where I was going. "I'll be back in a minute," I'd said. "I'm just going to run to the bathroom." My whereabouts were public knowledge. I should have said I was going to make a phone call. I'd planned to pee and maybe run a little water over my face, but now I had this to deal with.

The tank refilled, and I made a silent promise. The deal was that if this thing would go away, I'd repay the world by performing some unexpected act of kindness. I flushed the toilet, and the beast spun a lazy circle. "Go on," I whispered. "Scoot! Shoo!" I claimed a giddy victory, but when I looked back down, there it was, bobbing to the surface in a fresh pool of water.

Just then, someone knocked on the door, and I started to panic.

"Just a minute."

At an early age, my mother had sat me down and explained that everyone has bowel movements. "Everyone," she'd said. "Even the president and his wife." She'd mentioned our neighbors, the priest, and several of the actors we saw each week on television. I'd gotten the overall picture, but, natural or not, there was no way I was going to take the rap for this one.

"Just a minute!"

I seriously considered lifting this monster out of the toilet and tossing it out the window. It honestly crossed my mind, but John lived on the ground floor and a dozen people were seated at a picnic table ten feet away. They'd see the window open and notice something drop to the ground. And these were people who would surely gather round and investigate, then there I'd be, with my unspeakably filthy hands, trying to explain that it wasn't mine. But why bother throwing it out the window if it wasn't mine? No one would have believed me except the person who had left it in the first place, and chances were pretty slim that the freak in question would suddenly step forward and own up to it. I was trapped.

"I'll be out in a second!"


And I scrambled for the plunger and used the handle to break it into manageable pieces, all the while thinking that it wasn't fair, that this was technically not my job. Another flush and it still didn't go down. Come on, pal. Let's move it. While waiting for the tank to refill, I thought maybe I should wash my hair. It wasn't dirty, but I needed some excuse to cover the amount of time I was spending in the bathroom. Quick, I thought. Do something. By now, the other guests were probably thinking I was the type of person who uses dinner parties as an opportunity to defecate and catch up on his reading.

"Here I come. I'm just washing up!"

One more flush and it was all over. The thing was gone and out of my life. I opened the door to find my friend Janet, who said, "Well, it's about time." And I was left thinking that the person who'd abandoned this man-made object had no problem with it, so why did I? Why the big deal? Had it been left there to teach me a lesson? Had a lesson been learned? Did it have anything to do with Easter? I resolved to put it all behind me, and then I stepped outside to begin examining the suspects.
 
This one is easy: Wanny. This whole mess originated with him and has never been fixed since.
 
Philbin is not the worst, but he is near the bottom.

I just read a Twitter post by CK asking if anyone kind of misses the Fist Pump? Tony Sparano. At least Tony showed a little emotion and seemed interested, unlike Uncle Fester Philbin.
 
Cam is worse the Joe...

Tony I would put ahead of him. Wanny for sure. Jimmy is easily ahead. So is Nicky.

Both Cam and Joe are simply terrible as leaders.
 
Philbin is not the worst, but he is near the bottom.

I just read a Twitter post by CK asking if anyone kind of misses the Fist Pump? Tony Sparano. At least Tony showed a little emotion and seemed interested, unlike Uncle Fester Philbin.
I'd rather have Tony and I was a pro Philbin guy before the hire.
 
I'd like to see an NFL division full of ex-Fins coaches. Philbin playing Sparano, Cam Cameron, and Dave Wannstedt twice a year each.
Battle for the best 8-8 flopper.

In answer to OP's question: I'd say Philbin hasn't really distanced himself from the lower rungs of NFL coaching. The guy is extremely stubborn and very deadset on HIS system that needs to be played his way by the players, whether or not they actually fit that mold or perform well in said system. There's a lack of creativity, I guess you could say. A lack of bonding with the players not just from a coach-player leadership role, but also from understanding and utilizing their talent correctly and carefully.

Philbin is best left as an assistant coach, methinks. He could still turn heads this year if he turns it around, but I'm pretty over the guy.
 
They all sucked.

Jimmy Johnson: good coach who didn't care. Bad but not terrible personnel man.

Dave Wannstedt: awful coach who was also an awful personnel man. Genuinely good person, though. I'll give him that.

Nick Saban: good coach, awful personnel man. Bonus points for being a lousy human being.

Cam Cameron: if we could rank head coaches on a scale of 1 to 100, with Dave Wannstedt being a 1 and Don Shula or Bill Walsh being a 100, Cam Cameron would be like a -947.

Tony Sparano: on that same rating scale, Tony Sparano was like a 0.3.

Joe Philbin: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
 
But wait, I remember how happy everyone here was to have such an intelligent coach. How good is finheaven at evaluating things is the real question?
 
There are two tiers since Shula — Johnson, and the rest. Philbin falls under "the rest" category. Wanny, Cameron, Saban, Sparano and Philbin all had/have deficiencies that hold this team back in terms of development and game planning. Each, in one sense or another, lost the respect of the players along the way. While Wanny and Cameron were bad coaches, Sparano and Philbin were micromanagers, trying to get players to "fall in line" rather than coaching like Rex Ryan or Pete Carroll and letting the players be themselves. Saban was just a dick who ran out of town with his tail between his legs because he couldn't handle the big boy's game.

I hope our next coach is somebody that has similarities to Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh or Pete Carroll. Intelligent football minds that have policies but will help the players grow, rather than going against the grain.
 
In this order:

Nick Saban
Jimmy Johnson
Todd Bowels
Jim Bates
Joe Philbin/Tony Sparano (tied)
Dave Wannstedt
Cam Cameron
 
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