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Where does Philbin rank among post-Shula coaches?

Comparable record to Saban... and better than Saban's without Scott Linehan. He well may deserve to, and get fired, but the difference is that Philbin has a backbone and won't cut and run like a thief in the night, lying his way out of Miami when things get rough. So where he ranks on my coaching totem pole, I can't say other than that I consider Saban one of the residual cancers contributing to the chain of events bringing us to where we are now... and he's above him.
 
Vaark said:
Comparable record to Saban... and better than Saban's without Scott Linehan. He well may deserve to, and get fired, but the difference is that Philbin has a backbone and won't cut and run like a thief in the night, lying his way out of Miami when things get rough. So where he ranks on my coaching totem pole, I can't say other than that I consider Saban one of the residual cancers contributing to the chain of events bringing us to where we are now... and he's above him.
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Philbin won't cut and run....because there isn't a chance in Hell that he would be wanted someplace like Alabama.
 
In this string of incompetent HC's I'd rank Philbin above only Cam (who was a better OC than Philbin) and the worst, most shameful HC in our team's history, Nick Saban. Saban was probably the best coach of the bunch but he's an awful person and spit on the franchise. Saban is just a piece of **** human being and barring some shocking atrocity by some new coach he will always be the worst.
 
Wannstedt was a pretty bad coach, but he did deliver us our last playoff win so I think that has to count for something. Jimmy is the best and it's not even close.

I've been on Finheaven long enough with some of you goons to share and mostly celebrate the end of the line for our coaches all the way back to Wannstedt, I'm really, really hoping that Philbin's end is not near. Wannstedt definitely had the most sympathy because it was just a sad scene at that point.
 
When people bring up Bates and Bowles it kind of makes me wonder how things would have turned out had they been hired full-time after the seasons they finished. I remember, in particular, how hard the team played for Bates in 2004, including that Monday night upset of New England. And Bowles almost finished 2011 with an undefeated record, as the Dolphins had the Patriots on the ropes in New England, with the Patriots needing the win to secure a bye in the play-offs.....and they also knocked the Jets out of play-off contention in the last game of the season.

While in both cases it was time for a regime change, and perhaps it was best to not have a holdover as head coach, I will always wonder what would have happened if one, or both, of them had been given a chance.
 
Jimmy is #1 in a landslide

Huge gap

2. Wannstedt
3. Saban
4. Philbin
5. Sparano
6. Cameron

I'm not counting the temps because they were never going to have a shot at the full-time gig and the sample six too small.
 
I don't understand why so many of you are putting Philbin above Sparano.

Sparano won the division and made the playoffs, something Philbin has hardly sniffed (although he had it all ahead of him last year but choked). Sparano was also a much better leader who connected with players. The players did like him and play for him. Philbin is a corpse, and it doesn't seem like he connects with anyone on the team. Sparano was also flexible and adaptable at times, which allowed the team to take a novel approach with the Wildcat and win some games. Philbin has been incapable of adapting his system, its his way or the highway.

Philbin was also brought in to fix the offense, but instead his offenses have consistently ranked worse than Sparano's much-maligned offenses. I just don't see how anyone can make a case for Philbin being a better HC than Sparano.
 
SkapePhin said:
I don't understand why so many of you are putting Philbin above Sparano.

Sparano won the division and made the playoffs, something Philbin has hardly sniffed (although he had it all ahead of him last year but choked). Sparano was also a much better leader who connected with players. The players did like him and play for him. Philbin is a corpse, and it doesn't seem like he connects with anyone on the team. Sparano was also flexible and adaptable at times, which allowed the team to take a novel approach with the Wildcat and win some games. Philbin has been incapable of adapting his system, its his way or the highway.

Philbin was also brought in to fix the offense, but instead his offenses have consistently ranked worse than Sparano's much-maligned offenses. I just don't see how anyone can make a case for Philbin being a better HC than Sparano.
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Sparano won the division the year Tom Brady was hurt, we had a hideously weak schedule, and we beat up cupcakes by 2 points every week. We got crushed in the playoffs because the team wasn't that good.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Sparano won the division the year Tom Brady was hurt, we had a hideously weak schedule, and we beat up cupcakes by 2 points every week. We got crushed in the playoffs because the team wasn't that good.
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I fully understand that. I never said Sparano was some great coach. But Philbin hasn't done CRAP but bring embarassment upon embarassment upon this franchise. He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever outside of putting together epic spreadsheets and powerpoint decks.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Sparano won the division the year Tom Brady was hurt, we had a hideously weak schedule, and we beat up cupcakes by 2 points every week. We got crushed in the playoffs because the team wasn't that good.
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And Philbin lost to an 0-2 KC team without its star RB, and looking like another fail against an inept 0-3 Raiders team in London. I'd rather beat those cupcakes by 2 any day

PS. The difference was Sparano lucked into a very good QB in Pennington, and if he held up would have delivered more good seasons. Hence was a bust, and looks like tannehill is going to be as well.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
They all sucked.

Jimmy Johnson: good coach who didn't care. Bad but not terrible personnel man.

Dave Wannstedt: awful coach who was also an awful personnel man. Genuinely good person, though. I'll give him that.

Nick Saban: good coach, awful personnel man. Bonus points for being a lousy human being.

Cam Cameron: if we could rank head coaches on a scale of 1 to 100, with Dave Wannstedt being a 1 and Don Shula or Bill Walsh being a 100, Cam Cameron would be like a -947.

Tony Sparano: on that same rating scale, Tony Sparano was like a 0.3.

Joe Philbin: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
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JJ was actually a good personnel man, at least on defense, where he built a defense that was great (when not playing Jacksonville in the playoffs). On the offensive side of the ball, he just had bad luck (Yatil Green ACL's, criminals he brought in who remained criminals, a HOF QB who wouldn't talk to him).
 
I'd rank him slightly above Cameron but not by much. Really sad the garbage we have had coaching this team since Shula left.
 
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